Breakingthewall

bernard moitessier comes to mind, he was going to be the first winner of the vendee globe, after going around the world alone and nonstop on a sailboat, in the 70s, skirting Antarctica in inhuman conditions, a short distance from the Arrival, in France, I thought that the arrival, the crowd, the prize of 1 million pounds, the fame, were going to be negative, and that his peace was perfect, so he turned around and went around the world again

Great definition. There is any saint in the world? I never met any

The ego is somehow real. it is an energetic pattern, a stable set of thought, something. every time I manage to detach it more time. but as you say, what me? when the ego withdraws there is no one, since any sense of identity, projection on future, past, worry, is ego. everything is ego. without ego there is emptiness ... but a living emptiness. somehow that emptiness is a me. perceives, is, lives. the problem is that the ego comes back, and with rage. it is a life of imbalance that of alternating the perfect emptiness and the raging ego several times a day. I don't see what the middle point can be. perhaps the ego will settle down in time. maybe it's not real but it seems in fact who writes now is the ego. It is a complicated matter, the ego is necessary, the ego is me, the other alternative would be to go to a cave as a Ramana Maharshi to meditate for the rest of my life. It would be a happier life probably, but being human is also beautiful and a challenge. The ideal would be to be able to disconnect the ego at will every day. I see it possible

egos talking to egos to try to free themselves from themselves. But sometimes it works

Thanks , oh wise

well, it was an interesting conversation, who does not like could see others I think. but, op, apart from saying that any thought is not the truth, which is obvious, what else do you have to say?

Yes, thoughts are forms, and forms are appearance. the truth is emptiness. but you can realize the truth in the void, and then formulate a thought that points to that truth. It is not the truth itself but it describes it, and someone who has also realized that truth will recognize it. There is no god? Well God is a name. Void, isness, are others. It is not something so simple or so obvious, for the reason that silence and emptiness are difficult for the human monkey in need of survival. Confusion is the obvious at the end. And I'm not enlightened , only catching glimpses

Yes, as simple as seeing God in the silence of the mind and in the no shape, and being one with it. the problem is that the idiot of the town will probably fall into the delusion of the ego, and the smart one of the town too, and they will only perceive shapes and noise. What would someone enlightened do? be happy living in the presence of God, and normally have a benevolent attitude towards everything.

Realizing that the truth is in the void. Any other things are only appearance

In this link, stages of deep metitation are explained in which the death of the ego is reached and beyond. Nobody knows what happens after physical death, the most that can be achieved in this life is the absolute emptiness of the mind, which theoretically will be the closest thing to death https://paulbrunton.org/notebooks/23/8

@Javfly33 thank you! It's because I'm in the same point than you, but at the end , i start to be the emptiness at least some seconds every day, with meditation. it makes a big difference. The ego reaction is hard too

Yes, this is the problem. The i that's realize that is false and source of suffering, and wants to disappear because he knows he must, but he cannot, since he cannot make himself disappear. If he is trying, he is asserting himself. I believe that with meditation, millimeter by millimeter, he see what he is, his falsehood, and this realized daily weakens the illusion. This is the fear of the ego. He can't stop the software, because he thinks stop is death. Again meditation, millimeter by millimeter, educating the ego (the ego educating itself) to see that it can be a quiet moment that is not death, on the contrary, it is life. the ego must want to withdraw, know deeply that it is false and stop being an enemy. I don't see any other way. You have to stop being an ego, that is false and that you aren't really. And God state is another egoic projection. I think you know all of this, and you are in the middle of an ego reaction. The thing, i think, is fall in love of the emptiness. It's difficult, the emptiness is threatening. it seems the opposite of life, the ego seems life, color, activity, the void ,death, but it is just the other way around. It is not easy, the ego struggles, but I see that it supports itself less and less, it reveals itself in all its dysfunctionality. begins to assume that he must loosen the hold

you say permanent enlightenment is not possible, I suppose you think momentary enlightenment is possible, and you probably would have been there. but if you can be there for a moment, you can also be there permanently. It is a matter of detaching yourself from the ego imo. If you return to the ego, it is because you are attached to it (like me)

When you die, the human avatar, the energy pattern that you perceive you are, disappears and that's it. the infinite emptiness that you really are remains without any change. the trick is to detach yourself from the energy pattern, or ego, and focus as much as possible on the void. it has several advantages: it is real, pure, beautiful and immortal

True they try to survive , they have a clear intention, in a way that could be called ego, but also a piece of iron has the intention of remaining iron, with all its molecules exerting resistance to don't stop being

of course they are conscious, but they have no ego. They don't care if you cut them and dry

the ego doesn't exist because it is the illusion of separation, and enlightenment is the interruption of the illusion, when you see that there is no one separate trying to get enlightened, it was a kind of strange magic trick. but still there is perception, so still a kind of "me"

I think there is a third approach, which would be: there are things like: the need for control, the need to understand and label, the need to "be someone", which create an illusion of separation and this illusion creates a prison in which I am prisoner. I want to be free, so I'm going to observe my jail, identify its bars, know it perfectly, so that I can enter and leave it whenever I feel like it. I don't worry about myself, I am what I am and that will not change, I perceive it naturally when obstacles disappear. I worry about my jail, since it is not fixed, it changes and I can avoid it

suffering is of the ego. If you transcend the ego, you transcend suffering. you stop being trapped in the trap that you are, and you free yourself. It is not that you dont fall into the ego trap again, it is that it was never real, an appearance kept you trapped, and the suffering was a distortion between what is and what you projected as "it should be". Regarding different lives, all lives are the same, there is no you that comes out of the wheel since individuality is appearance, it is not real.

@Someone here You are baking the cake, and when it is ready it will be time to flambé it with a flare of 5 meo. @James123 you are right. psychedelics are not there to seek experiences. These can occur but its usefulness is another. is to detach the ego from you. Without them, that detachment for a moment that makes you see the deception in which you are immersed can be almost impossible. If you use them as a tool for this purpose, their usefulness is enormous. my mind 10 months ago that was when I started with this process, and now, they are two different worlds. There is still egoic mucus stuck like a helmet on my head, but I take it off every day. The emptiness is intuited every moment, the meditation is increasing every day, and self-referential madness is the twentieth part. thanks to the tremendous help from this forum as well. There was never anything more useful for the search for the truth, in the history of humankind. it is not little imo

For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

enlightenment for me is being one with the truth. Why are you not one with the truth initially? because you have been prey to the false. so you have to do a job, which is to eliminate the false in you, it is not enough to do nothing. The usual thing is that this falsehood causes you suffering, so you look for ways out. Dissolving the ego is the key, but it is the ego itself that sees this, so it is difficult for the ego to eliminate itself. you can understand yourself, what a job is, and then silence yourself with meditation as much as possible, hour after hour day after day. this is another job. And even doing this, the false will continue to exert its force since it has occupied almost your entire person, it will take psychedelics, gift of God, to really dissolve the falsehood and be able to see for a moment, identify the false and intuit the truth. so the opposite of doing nothing, you have to do a lot, with determination, since you have to undo what has been done your whole life

everything is real. the illusion is also real. the question is: what is true and what is false? the world of appearance is false in the sense that you are not a separate living entity. this is a magic trick as it is not true .it is literally a dream and hard to see as the mind is software that works all the time to create that trick

meditation is the key. when you meditate forces the mind to slow down. If you reach absolute void, great, but if you don't, and only cut the activity to half, you will have done something. I prefer to do several sessions, and in different places, since I cannot afford the same silent place. Several sessions work better for me since the second is easier than the first, and the third even more. I would like to get to about three hours a day, or at least 3 sessions of 45 min each one, it does not seem too much, the matter is important, anything that is not a free mind is shit. For now I'm doing the half , the benefits are big but it isn't enough

meditation focusing on the fact that I am empty. only emptiness is real, content is fake