Breakingthewall

Sure, but probably if you were in a city being bombed now you would think differently about boredom, but yes , I understand your perspective. Sometimes I think that to live a full apocalypse would be great We are trying to see the truth as close it's possible, to make an accurate map. Some argument are ok to help us to get closer to the truth. Seeing the attitudes of people are part of the truth

liberation is the key to spiritual work. We must completely free ourselves from the energetic barriers that trap us. To do this you have to be able to see them, and once seen, want to break them. Open yourself to the now completely, without reservation. then you expand to infinity. this is a reality, not a mental story. You, now, expand to infinity. There is nothing like it, any mental understanding is a joke, this is the real thing.

Man. I want to know if they torture and kill babies intentionally, and I don't see evidence of that because there aren't. If you are very emotional, good for you, but I want to see the truth, not feed emotions Again, all the terrorists had camera, if there were torture, there are documented. If they didn't show to the journalists, there weren't tortures, regardless your emotions I think the terrorists of Hamas deserve to die for doing that, but don't forget that a lot of babies are dying in Gaza, for example, one hour ago a hospital has been bombed

Many Israeli civilians died while being taken hostage in the fight with the Israel army, could be the case, maybe was intentional but it's not sure, and it's only one case I see the body of one baby. I know they have killed many people. The photos shown are so that we can see their evil, and their evil is great, but there was no massacre of children because we would have seen the massacre of children, in each kibbutz there are many, and showing a crib with blood is not enough, and there was no torture because would have shown. There was murder, something terrible, but there was no torture or intentional murder of children and it has been said that there was this and my opinion is that there was not that

Man, I Know Hamas killed many, there are terrorist and they deserve to die, but Israeli government said that hamas tortured the civilians and killed babies intentionally, maybe they did, but I don't see evidence

I see, murders, I know that they shot to many. But I'm trying to know if there were torture.

yes, photos of a burned baby. I don't know if you don't understand. I repeat: a baby burned in a house fire is not the same as intentionally torturing a baby. Now in Gaza there are thousands of burned babies, that's what happens when bombs are dropped. But if I go, I grab a baby, I pour gasoline on it, I burn it, it's different, the same as that story about how a girl's hands were cut off. Do you understand that it is in Israel's interest to make people believe that these things are real? And that being so, do you understand the stupidity of showing the American representative some photos of a burned baby? it does not make any sense. It may have been burned in a fire. Governments lie, did you know this? So, you should not believe everything they say in order to give more strength to what you would like to believe, you should investigate and try to see the truth. I think there weren't tortures , but if in any moment I see evidence that they happened, I will change my opinion What does that have to do with trying to know if there was torture or not?

the babies could be burned by a bomb. It's not the same to throwing a bomb in a house than approaching a baby, pouring gasoline on it and burning it alive, which is what the Israeli government says human animals did. The journalists can't show anything, cameras wasn't allowed, but they can say exactly what they saw in the video that was shown to them.

I think it's easy to understand: the Israeli government gathered a group of journalists, showed 45 minutes of recordings from the terrorists' personal cameras. they obviously included the worst scenes. Later these journalists narrated what they saw: shooting murders of adults. no torture, no children murdered. So the conclusion is that even if some guy from the IDF says that he saw torture, if hundreds, or thousands of terrorists have been killed and they all had cameras, if scenes of torture or murder of children have not been recovered, it means that this has not happened, or at least that there is not evidence of them

Since I know, there is no video from the cameras of Hamas terrorists shown by the Israeli government with torture and murder of children. There are videos on YouTube, but they have to be from that day, not just any video that someone has uploaded and says it was from 7/10

It seems like you don't understand it. I'll explain it to you again: the government of Israel said that Hamas intentionally and horribly killed and tortured children and babies, that it approached three-year-old children and tortured them. Then they said that they were human animals for it, and that revenge was necessary, then he started bombing civilians in Gaza. Don't you understand that they said that about torturing children to justify killing thousands of Palestinian children? but then the images from the terrorists' cameras were shown, and well...there is neither torture nor murder of children. For you this is very good, you don't want to think about it, whatever, but for me it is an important part of this matter

No, I'm just trying to find out if the Israeli government is lying when they talk about torture, and if they are, understand why they lie.

If that is true, why has it not been talked about or shown as an example of Hamas's brutality? I guess you understand that it is easy to tie a guy charred by a bomb to the bed or upload a video of another massacre, but the reality is that the IDF has the cameras of the Hamas terrorists in their possession, and they have shown a selection of 45 minute images to journalists, and there is no torture https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2023/10/26/israeli-accounts-share-deceptive-video-accusing-hamas-of-killing-a-pregnant-woman

If so, then I'm wrong, but for now it seems more like he's pretending to do that in the face of public opinion, but deliberately punishing civilians, everything will be analyzed in detail and then we can make an opinion based on the facts.

If the IDF proposes the evacuation of civilians, but Hamas does not allow it, then it would be obvious that they are trying to minimize civilian casualties. If the IDF cuts off electricity in hospitals and drops phosphorus bombs, it is obvious that this is revenge against civilians.

What horrible videos have you seen? I have read what they showed the journalists and it is horrible but it is not torture. It's possible that there have been, I don't deny it, I'm just interested in knowing the truth about that.

Some points of view from Palestinian

For me, the issue of torture is significant. From the beginning there was talk of babies intentionally burned alive, beheadings of babies, mutilations and torture. Then the government said that it was going to show it publicly and it did not, it showed 45 minutes of recordings to a group of journalists, they did not mention anything about torture, but about civilians being shot, a case of a father who fled with two children and was thrown a grenade, the children survive terrified, the Hamas terrorist takes them to the kitchen and gives them a Cocacola, then the terrified mother arrives and the recording is interrupted, it is terrible but it is not the same as burning children alive or amputating their hands to see how they bleed to death. These stories, spread by the IDF and the government, but which are not supported by images, are lies, since if they were true they would have been spread. The only motivation for spreading these lies is to justify what was planned to be done: genocide. Throwing phosphorus bombs at civilians is genocide, Israel is a criminal state and in a very short time the entire international community will admit this fact.

It has all the time he wants to organize it, if he really wants to put an end to Hamas, but it is obvious that he does not want this, since without evacuating Gaza it is impossible, they would have to kill 500 thousand civilians. What Israel wants is what its leaders have said publicly: revenge on human animals, and it's what is happening now.

Its totally easy, evacuate women and kids and old people and place them in refugees camps in Israel, and you know it.

It is wrong in your opinion, but what it really is is a continued act of war towards a weaker nation, perpetrated by a government that wins elections time and time again. This people are justifying an act of war against another nation. This is unacceptable today, the entire world must stop Israel, and I would say that it will do so, regardless of the fact that in your country the far-right radicals continue to be the most voted group.

The abuse and theft towards Palestinians is supported by the state. If a settler expels a Palestinian from his home, and kills one of his relatives, the Palestinian cannot report it to the authority, since it will do nothing. What can the Palestinian do? Besides terrorism I mean. emigrate? I guess many can't In this war, the president of Israel has said that they will get revenge, and the minister of defense that they deal with human animals, and then they have started bombing civilians, burying women and children in rubble. It's obvious. What is the difference between that terrorism and that of Hamas? At least Hamas risks their lives by doing it, the Israelis do it without risk, with American material.

Yes, countries also commit genocides, invasions, all kinds of things. I do not understand your answer. Your country systematically steals land from another country, since the Bible says it has the right. This makes your country a criminal. If it didn't do it it would stop being one, but it does it, and since it's your country you justify it.

Part of that healing is stealing land from the West Bank and expelling people who have lived there for generations from their homes. a state of law does not do that, only a criminal state.