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What morality? The morality of ancient Roman times? Or the morality of ancient Greek? Or ancient Egypt? Or the 21st century western culture? Morality is relative. Good and bad are relative and subjective. The same act can be perfectly moral in the USA.. If you do it in India its immoral.. And if you do it in the middle east you might die!! When you are enlightened you've seen through all the games of the mind. Morality is a big one. All conditioning drops. You see everything as perfect and inevitable just the way it is. You don't become more compassionate or less compassionate. From your pov you cease to exist. And whatever appears to be done via your body-mind will be THAT doing what it does.

What you call consciousness is what they call matter. Both new age mysticism and materialism are stuck in duality........ It's like either we have unexplainable free floating mystical consciousness.. Without anything sourcing it.. Or we have dumb lifeless matter that gives arise to an appearance of consciousness. There is only one fundamental reality either way. If there is something underneath consciousness it will be consciousness. If consciousness arises from matter.. That means matter is potentially consciousness. It's the same thing at the end. I don't get what the hustle is about lol.

There is nothing to understand. Indeed. Not your ordinary folk is gonna get such deep insight. Only someone who has gone through it all. It might be a good place for you to start by recognizing that you don't understand anything. Never did. Never will. Another step which can also illuminate the first step.. Is try to draw the boundary between what you think is you and what you think is the thing that you are understanding.

Try to see it without seeing it.

From my own experience.. The only thing you need to know is............. there is something within you right now that is always the same across your whole life.. Past present and future.. It was here before you were born.. It will continue to be here after you die.. It never began to be.. It will never cease to be.. No beginning no ending.. No time.. Just eternally ever presently so.... That is who you are. And that is ultimately the only real thing. Find that thing and you will need not to find anything else.

To quote Leo. : "It's absolutely infinte.. It's absolutely infinte...its absolutely infinite you don't understand.. There is no way you can understand this ".

Yes there is no one who sits and meditate. But still it happens. @Nahm Not being rude. I'm honestly having a hard time understanding what you are saying. If any it's I guess general pointing to internal mechanics of intentions and so forth etc.. But you didn't address the topic in hand. Instead just reverted to my "intentions". So whatever.

@Fran11 back at ya.

@Fran11 Lol ok ok fine no worries no worries.......... But there is nobody concentrating.

What lol? I'm making this point since forever lol The thinking process can take up different routes. That's obvious enough. BUT it is completely random and chaotic. There is no possibility of organizing the thinking process in a concrete direction. Because that's the very nature of thoughts they are chaotic and random.

"The feeler of feelings is a feeling.. The thinker of thoughts is a thought". -Alan watts. This is duality. Awareness is not aware of thoughts. Awareness is the thought. Again you substituted the ego with awareness. Consider when a thought arises.. You are the thought.. You are not aware of it and nothing else (awareness) is aware of it. It is just free floating. Except that doesn't make any sense. It might be true to say "it can happen". The thinking process itself can definitely take up different routes. But to say "you can do it even though there is no you" doesn't make sense right?

Ultimately it all (dream.. Waking.. Psychedelic etc) appears within the nothingness of deep sleep. So nothingness is the most real and rock bottom of all states of being.

LOL you can't. I'm sick of repeating myself. There is no you. As a separate entity. When a thought arises it just arises spontaneously. You don't create it.

@Nahm I didn't understand anything from what you wrote.

During meditation session. Realized that I don't exist and never existed. No one is behind the apparent body-mind. Just empty awareness that you can zoom back into it forever. Similarly everybody else. Thus solved my obsession with solipsism. I always had the feeling that I'm the only one that really exists. Now I am conscious that I myself don't exist as anyone. Neither any other person. There are no "persons" in the universe. Now I walk Down the streets fully conscious that no one exists or ever existed.

First of all be respectful. I seek genuine understanding. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I'm just being pedantic. I made my point clear. It's not a linguistic type of flimsy difference. It's a very real difference. You don't have the slightest control over the content of your thoughts. Period. This is an observable fact. The thoughts will still arise without a thinker. Now relate that to LOA and how your thoughts attract your reality. That's true. But since you are not creating your thoughts in any way. You are not creating your reality. So LOA is valid as a description of the natural unfolding. But When you think you as an ego can use it to improve your life you will have to first resolve this dilemma of choice with the fact that you don't exist as an ego in the first place.

How so? Give me a practical example. Let's say I want to modify my mind to stop thinking about X thought. How is that done?

Actually an anti-virus software is a fixed entity that can filter viruses. What you call "the mind" is a fantasy. It's just a concept. There is no mind. As in something that is container or the producer of thoughts. The mind doesn't filter thoughts. What you call the mind is itself the thoughts.

In other words there is no free will or you but that doesn't mean stuff won't get done via the apparent body-mind. No one is saying stuff won't get done. Stuff will get done. It's just that who you think you are as an individual is not doing them. So again all the points are valid.. In regards here to LOA or anything else.. "Make up your mind and think good thoughts to attract good things"...if thoughts arise without a thinker.. Who is to be asked to think good thoughts? You can't do it cuz you are not there to do it. And sure enough..that destroys LOA at the very root. Unless it's a universal description. Yeah there is no you to think your thoughts.. But still.. Good thoughts will attract good things even if you don't think them. No one is denying that. The point of conflict is you are not in control of the things that will still get done via your body-mind. Thus.. You are not responsible for them. Thus. LOA is a spontaneous process. It is. But you can't direct it to your benefit.

No not at all. He is assuming a "you" that is separate from thoughts and aware of them. Same dilemma. There is no one aware of thoughts. Awareness is not aware of thoughts. That's duality. Awareness IS the thought taking the form of it. It appears as if you are aware of X. Actually X is free floating without any you.

Knowledge is a conceptual layer on being. There is no knowing because who is to know and what is to know? Duality. So In a sense you don't know anything because you are. Being.

If a schizophrenic person saw this.. That would be the end of his life lol

Nonduality 101 #. Reality is nondual. That means there is one thing that exists in reality. Reality itself. Existence is one thing. Every single duality you imagine is inherent in reality..is not. Is just an imagination. There is no difference between time and eternal presence. There is no difference between existence and no existence. There is no difference between me you Leo your mom your cat trump Hitler Jesus and a cheesecake. There is no difference between form and formlessness. There is no difference between you and what you see.. You and what you touch. You and what you hear. There is no difference between truth and delusion. Enlightenment and ignorance. There is no actual difference between any two supposedly distinct objects or concepts. All talk supposes duality.. When there aren't any duality. That's why you guys need to stop arguing. And verify it in your experience.

@Member the first step towards Self-realization.. Number one: you are not what you see in the mirror.

@Moksha you stuck in duality. Here there. Form formlessness etc @Member if there is a Self.. That is yourself.. Who you already are.. Do you realize that "you" cannot realize "it" because that is a duality? If there is a truth about you.. Then you are already that truth.. Whether you realize it or not.. In fact "you" cannot realize "it "because" it" is not other than "you" to be an object of realization.. You cannot not be who you are.. That's why you are nothing. Because you are not anything you think you are (duality).