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    @LfcCharlie4 u think there will be a point where the ego says ok its enough now i have fulfilled my purpose and its time to rip? u think it is possible to transcend the ego collectively? then perhaps uve missed the last i dont know how many centuries of human development and perhaps uve missed how nature works. survival for the fittest and every one thinks hes the fittest. u think u and ur ideals are fittest. trump thinks he and his ideals are fittest. hitler thinks he and his ideals are fittest. i think me and my ideals are fittest. but does any of that actually make any one fittest? at turquoise u dont have an agenda or ideals at turquoise u are one with reality what ever reality is and what ur describing is a stage green dream of his ideal world when at turquoise u realise that it doesnt work that way at all. the basic assumption all of u seem to be taking for granted is that reality is not already the best it could be. ur perspective then interferes and distorts ur perception by thinking oh well if more ppl could become more like me then certainly the world would become a better place. the truth is that whether every one is like u or not is in fact irrelevant to how good the world is since its absolutely good and u said that here and many times before i guess but then u make a clever distinction between absolute and relative truth and miss the fact that the relative truth ur talking about is ur own creation b cuz it fits ur agendas. for trump he may not be interested in absolute truth but that wont matter to him b cuz he takes his relative truth to be the absolute truth like u also do with urs. so u see? from ur pov it makes perfect sense that a world full of ppl like u would be a better place and so u probably will strive towards actualizing that vision but exactly in that attempt to alter reality u will create more minions of urself and those minions will in turn try to influence other ppl to make them minions of u too and then u and ur minions will have to face other leaders and their minions in the world and then each of u will try to minion the other to become more like him (perhaps like im doing right now haha) and then there will be a clash between the two not necessarily physical but certainly strong enough to stop or decrease the expansion of both sides. of course in the story above i used two sides for simplicity but in reality there are many sides that ultimately could be narrowed down into two sides so thats ultimately the epitome of nonduality and the yin and yang they are one in essence but theyre still not the same and thats what im saying here reality is different from other povs and when theres only two povs their realities become in opposition to each other and if reality ever became permanently one and stopped fighting with itself it would fall out and die so thats why utopia is impossible b cuz its a dream of one part of reality and if u get all parts to agree with u on that dream reality will then it will stop existing b cuz u will cause its death by emphasising the yin over the yang or vice versa. u might say no im emphasising balance but if thats so then why change any thing? reality is already balanced. and the answer is that b cuz u (ego) would die if u dont desire change so u must have a purpose for ur ego to survive and while u claim to be antagonistic to ego u will become a big advocate of it and so it goes on and on and thats why its a never ending process.. hope u enjoyed reading this and the whole discussion i did enjoy your posts 

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    21 minutes ago, LaucherJunge said:

    1)
    This is simply a belief that you are imposing as well. Why is having extreme distrust towards the media any bad if it's actual brainwashing?
    Now if it's not, you might have a point that the extreme might cause problems but I would rather have these problems than this brainwashing machinery.
    And of course this now is just my belief that I would be imposing, which I am not, simply making a point here.

    2)
    Can't really comment on this one since I've never really seen a conspiracy theorists call another guy a conspiracy theorists, that they don't all agree with each other is inevitable considering the scape of all this and actually also a very healthy thing.
    I on my end am actually kind of happy to have the privilege of being a conspiracy theorist, breaking out of the brainwash is a good thing as you people should know self actualization is not very mainstream either.
    Now does the current mainstream have good aspects to it? For sure, but I couldn't care less about something having positive aspects if they are just the bare minimum that should be there in the first place, now if it didn't people would have woken up way sooner, now the awakening is just slowly beginning.
    At this point also consider the Whistleblowers and documents about the CIA inventing the term conspiracy theorist to discredit people, that's why they tend to defend themselves against this terminology being used as a weapon against them, but I couldn't care less myself, this weapon is getting weaker day after day.

    3)
    Because most of people who have gone as far as to consider conspiracy theories have to be open minded in the first place, with closed mindedness you are not gonna get there. Now this doesn't exclude people from being open minded and not be into conspiracy theories.
    So you definitely have a point with this, if it happens as often as you say it does. At the same time the opposite side holds truth as well because as I already stated open mindedness is a requirement, people are just quick to judge others, but that goes for both sides.

    4)
    Yes, but again you don't mention here that people might be gullible by believing the mainstream media. Again this can go for both sides, so I don't see it as a good argument to begin with. And not sides as in binary views, but sides as in the vast scape of conspiracy theorists and the vast scape of not conspiracy theorists. You an be skeptic about many things.

    5)
    If the whole system is corrupt, yeah it's all or nothing. Which doesn't mean the system doesn't still hold things that might be useful for the future and are inherently good things, yet so many people cling to these good things, like a junkie to his needle that they miss to see the world beyond the needle.
    Sometimes the chunks are hidden from you so you'll have to work with the nuggets unfortunately, luckily sometimes you can extrapolate from chunks missing where they should be, that something has been covered up. ;)

    6&7 kinda contradict themselves in my view, so I'll dive into 7.

    7)
    That one is new for me, since I call my deep dives and explanations of the theories I know as speculation or worst case scenarios for the most part, but I'm sure there will be plenty people "guilty" of this. And I agree that it's not very helpful that people are claiming absolute truth everywhere, but as we should know from some of Leos greatest teachings, never ever believe something to 100%.

    8)
    Or maybe high standards for evidence are according to rules which are preventing certain things to be revealed. Speculation I guess.
    As I described in the other comment above. there were conspiracy theories which didn't have this hard evidence you hold up so highly and yet they've been shown to be true. Weird, how can these dumb people who have such low standard for evidence know before anyone else does?

    9)
    This argument is actually exactly what conspiracy theorists consider as evidence, so this point absolutely doesn't make sense to me.
    This is exactly what we do, as you said we collect these nuggets, we collect hundreds and thousands of these nuggets and then they offer a holistic picture.

    10)
    Meta view is exactly what conspiracy theories are about, but of course you'll not see that if you don't dive deep. Isn't it obvious that you only can see the meta structure when you dove deep enough to actually consider all the nuggets? You people refuse to dive into it, absolutely refuse and censor any efforts to do so.

    @Consept
    By building exactly the system you believe we already live in, just maybe in a even better way. With some huge and some minor improvements made and they sometime in the future an even more advanced system can be build along with the growth of humanity and so on into infinity.
    I absolutely don't have anything against scientific research studies and relying on hard evidence, that would be great if this would be the case, but within a system where only parts of the truth are released and many parts are completely twisted around to fit certain agendas, I sadly have to make the cut here basically and just go against this system with all that I got. How do you think revolutions occured? Do you think revolutions go according to strict rules and are beautifully smooth?

    a typical conspiracy theorist is not at all like ur describing they often have a big component of stage blue thinking but perhaps ur exceptional and in this case ur not a conspiracy theorist but simply an open minded person 

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    10 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

    @The observer Like Leo said, we have developed hugely over the last 10 years, perfection may not be possible but huge improvements certainly are and will happen gradually :) 

    i cant believe u guys. u dont seem to get my point at all. are u aware that the improvement ur taking pride of are in fact an advancement of the spiritual agenda on the expense of other agendas? u cant satisfy all agendas together. some agendas will always be left behind and then they will rebel and in effect advance themselves once again while the dominant agenda will likely not have the same motivation to stay on top so it will lose its grip and start declining. its an eternal dance between self and no self. there cannot be only self neither only no self and it has to be both. thats my message and this will probably be my last post on this topic.

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    19 hours ago, Moment said:

    I hope that this is a sign of healing and progress, but who knows. I know that meditation is known to surface old emotions, but wouldn’t that release normally happened in the meditation itself, not hours afterwards?

    of course it is a sign of healing and no it does not necessarily have to occur during the official process of meditation it could occur outside of it too b cuz awareness is not limited to that set period of time. did u notice that u were aware of ur emotions right before u cried? thats meditation too just not in the formal sense. as long as ur in tune with ur sensation it is meditation 

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    3 hours ago, Pilgrimage of Self said:

    Great list! Following the topic.

    Comfort is what I struggle with the most. Wherever I go, whatever I do... it is EVERYWHERE.  The cruel irony is you think that you are comfortable but you are actually NOT. You are just avoiding shit.  Like David Goggins says; "The more I tried to be comfortable, the more uncomfortable I got."

    Feels like an uphill battle always. 

    Anyway, yeah... seeking comfort, not pushing hard enough, avoiding negative emotions.

    comfort itself is not the problem although probably seeking comfort is a huge problem. the problem is the structure of society which devalues comfort and values hard work and so hard workers usually get rewarded with more but still u could find ur passion or at least something that doesnt necessarily make u uncomfortable and make it ur play so u enjoy it and at the same time u use it for growing urself. in this sense it is clear that comfort is not the enemy but relative to how society operates it probably is. of course it is still wise to expect facing uncomfortable situations from time to time but the point is that u dont necessarily have to suffer in order to grow so make sure u dont fall for that limiting belief 

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    23 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

    In trying to imagine the appeal. . .from my observations:

    1) people that tend to get immersed into conspiracy theories generally have a strong distrust of “mainstream media” and government. I think it’s healthy to have some skepticism, yet conspiracy theorists are on the extreme end of the spectrum. 

    2) those immersed in conspiracy theories are unaware they are immersed in a conspiracy theory. They do not view it as a conspiracy theory, relative to them it is their true reality. They vehemently oppose the accusation they are involved in a conspiracy theory. Ironically, they often judge others as being a conspiracy theorist. For example “that guy who believes the moon landing was staged is a conspiracy theorist, but not me. Now lets talk about how China created the Coronavirus as biological warfare against the rest of the world. . . “. 

    3) those immersed in conspiracy theories often view themselves as “open minded”. Over and over, I see people engaged in conspiracy theories say “you aren’t open minded enough to consider another view”.

    4) those involved in conspiracy theories pride themselves in being a skeptic - in particular they identify as a skeptic of “mainstream media”, science and government - all of which they deeply mistrust. However, they are not able to distinguish between skepticism and being gullible. They have a tendency to accept whatever is counter to a “mainstream view”.

    5) they generally think in binary opposites: it is their theory vs anything not their theory. It’s all or nothing. They cannot see nuggets of truth mixed with nuggets of falsehoods. There are nearly always nuggets of truth in any conspiracy theory - the use these nuggets of truth for a foundation of building a construct of falsehoods and to defend their theory.

    6) They commonly make assumptions to ground themselves. Quite often they will say something like “I’m not saying this part happened for sure, yet what if. . . . “. Then that “what if” is assumed to be true and they continue on with the assumption that the “what if” is actually true.

    7) They are unaware of what speculation is. 

    8) They pride themselves in seeking “evidence”, yet they have very low standards of what counts as “evidence”. 

    9) They cannot see how multiple points of circumstantial evidence can be related together as much stronger evidence. This is one way they defend there views. Any single counter point can be defended against, yet they are unable to see consider how those dozens of counter-points together make their theory untenable. 

    10) They are immersed within content and cannot see a meta view of structure.

    11) regardless of how much evidence u present to them they wont acknowledge it as valid and will keep coming up with more arguments so its pointless to keep arguing with them on the same level and its best to work on the underlying issues often of paranoia eg u might take a flat earther to the outer space and show him the earth is round and then he will come up with all sorts of stories to deny what his eyes display like hallucination or hypnosis may be vr or live wallpapers too

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    4 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

    But, relatively speaking living life based on this will have huge implications, and gradually we will see these structures and societies fall and be replaced. 

    Society changes one individual at a time. As more people “wake up” they aren’t going to accept what we have going on right now (relatively speaking)

    interesting discussion so far but perhaps uve missed my opening post and the following discussion.. the bottom line is that this spiritual vision or utopia is a pipe dream.. u might wanna take a look and then kindly give me ur feedback 

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    9 hours ago, Chives99 said:

    I think trump has the thinking of a medieval Emporer but operating in a modern day society, whatever brings my country on top even if that costs millions of lives.

    perhaps thats what is needed for the us right now. china is growing like crazy and the us has been consistently declining in comparison until trump. he didnt get elected for nothing america needs a wild beast to bring some balance back to the global politics as its become number two second to china. the white house is not stupid and america could use even a more acute version of trump if theres any but hes the most acute in hand i guess. i guess assassinating the iranian general was an attempt to shift the us focus towards asia instead of the middle east by weakening a chinese ally as that should at least keep the us and china in the same league. however it does seem like china is unstoppable and things are getting more difficult for the us specially after this whole covid-19 thing and the biggest success in china and worst failure in america. its likely that china will make some changes to strengthen its economy even more and then to better its political position. so now i think it would make sense why trump is rushing to reopen b cuz frankly the us is losing drastically 

  13. Posted · Edited by The observer

    38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    sex is deeply wired in you. Good luck undoing that regardless of who you are.

    as im waking up to seeing the actual structure of the system im spontaneously losing interest in sex now it just seems like some thing ive been brainwashed to believe is important and worth chasing when in fact its not. suddenly its not enjoyable like it was before. if its not directly related to my survival it doesnt make sense to desire sex to begin with its just dumb. right now im waiting for my karmas to burn their selves out and perhaps then i will be totally free

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    2 hours ago, tenta said:

    You keep relying on saying "I'm repeating myself" but the solution you proposed would still have you struggling for survival, just in a different way. If you really believed that doing it the modern way is stupid then you'd say life in the wilderness is preferable, but it's not, we're not just doing things in a "more complicated way" were doing it in a way where you don't have to risk your life to survive.

    i dont say go and live in the wilderness is the solution and i dont dismiss the value of the mind. i guess also most of our deaths r not due to other species killing us but rather humans killing each other so what im saying is that if ppl stopped killing each other (and thats impossible due to the existence of hierarchies welcome to reality) then eventually we would have to destroy the systems we were using b cuz theyre ineffective at surviving us and survival would become much easier b cuz then we could keep the good stuff and information weve learned and build up on it as complete individuals with each individual looking out for his own needs and his own needs only until all irrelevant and illusory desires (karma) burn out and then that would leave us in a utopia 

    u might ask why are hierarchies a prerequisite for violence? and the answer is b cuz of ego so i guess we have two choices here either we submit to the hierarchy with our will ie remain asleep labouring (go with the flow) or we wake up to the truth and do something of any kind about it (resist the hierarchy aka evolution) which will definitely face a reaction (resisting evolution) of any kind too from the system. the latter case is what seems to be actually happening and so here we are today stealing freedom from our young by indoctrinating them in schools and for what? for teaching them how to survive. yes 12 years of ur childhood was mainly about abusing u physically mentally and emotionally supposedly for teaching u how to survive but unfortunately u werent awake to this truth i assume until now. so instead of teaching u how to simply peacefully grow ur own plants they taught u how to be extremely deceptive in order to stay alive no matter how much u might suffer for it and thats just one example out of many. so now u have to go through one of the two scenarios i proposed above u either go back to sleep or try to do something about it the latter which will most likely be the case and so u will attempt to create a new set of deceptions to cover that up and thats basically whats happening all the time.

    even ppl at the top of the hierarchy are in a sense laboring to the system b cuz their survival is dependent on the system functioning well and if it some how stopped working their egos would face a huge existential crisis and they would get violent so theyre also slaves to the system in that sense. really what were doing here as human is extremely stupid just b cuz were afraid of losing our lives we accept to lose our freedom and yet we convince ourselves that we are actually free and becoming freer every day while the opposite is the case and then after a while some ppl wake up and try to wake others up and they end up fighting with each other all the time over which system is better and perhaps thats what im doing here so im probably just adding another layer to the whole mess. when thinking about this i find the most accurate analogy is labour building pyramids.

    2 hours ago, tenta said:

    The 2 reasons I gave weren't an exhaustive list of what makes life now less hierarchical (if your boss can't kill you, that means less hierarchy, this is obvious) than 4 thousand years ago.

    the problem with securing survival is that its never the case. yes we might think were more protected right now but in reality any one can kill any one regardless of the punishment. and statistics dont help here b cuz i have but one life. even in the utopian world im imagining its not possible to ensure survival we can only try to increase our chances but we could still die at any moment so were only imagining a better present and even then we go on and imagine a better future without realising that its just a change in appearance not substance 

    2 hours ago, tenta said:

    If you re-read my solution you'll see I wasn't saying it will break the whole cycle of hierarchy.

    i see

    2 hours ago, tenta said:

    That's a bad comparison because in ancient rome the people above the slaves still had to work.

    yes i hinted on this point above. were not very different from ancient rome were all slaves to the system even the ppl at the top are slaves to the system its merely a change in appearance ie an illusion we all come and go but the system (devil) remains untouched in essence b cuz were sustaining it and feeding it our freedom with our fear

  15. Posted · Edited by The observer

    5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    In ancient Rome, 30-40% of the population were slaves.

    in our modern societies 90-99% of the population are slaves. we are labour working for the top 1% that control our resources to preserve the system from falling. of course its not just one system but rather a system within a system within a system within a system. if we stop right now we will get killed b cuz otherwise we will cause the system to collapse and nobody wants that even the poor and even highly conscious ppl are still victims and dependent on the system. its such a difficult situation were in right now. in exchange for our lives we give up our freedom.

    5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    When a neighboring city was conquered, all of its men would have their throats slit, all the women and children would be raped and sold as slaves. That's the true meaning of a war. Every citizen's life is on the line and they know it. If the wall is breached, everyone is fucked.

    One of the biggest reasons men joined the army and went to war is that if they won, they got to rape all the women for free. For many this was their only chance for sex.

    We've made some progress.

    well that still happens today only in a different form. its just a disguise leo u from all ppl should be able to see through it. mating in our modern societies is not easy too. for ppl who lived centuries ago it probably was completely acceptable to fight for sex that was certainly not a big deal like we assume today. in their minds killing for sex is the same as learning pua in this day and age we only think its normal b cuz its whats available and mainstream but even so its still not easy to meet ur needs u have to work so hard to earn the necessary skills for having a successful and sustainable fulfillment (u from all the ppl should know haha) and even then u could still be out competed by other chimps so mating was never easy. u might think its easier today relative to back then but what im saying is that its quite the opposite. back then it was easier b cuz they didnt have much egos to protect in a sense they were freer b cuz they wouldnt trade their freedom for their lives. they were willing to live completely fulfilled or die trying they were immortal while were imprisoned r now by fear and so we suffer as a result b cuz weve sold our souls to the devil.

  16. Posted · Edited by The observer

    6 hours ago, tenta said:

    You have more options today and aren't someone's property, even tho there is obvious inequality.

    please dont make me repeat my self my point isnt about options. yes sure clearly we do have a good variety of options today but these options r in fact an illusion b cuz we dont actually need them for survival we only need food and water and may be sex. these individualized options r the result of the sophisticated systems weve created so far followed by questioning them but thats a never ending process and more options will keep coming as we keep questioning them probably to infinity. do u realise that we r merely expanding the gap between our desire (survival) and the effective ways to fulfill it? instead of simply growing or breeding or hunting for food we do extremely complex processes to fulfil our needs. how stupid is that? but thats not random. ppl r actively preserving this hierarchy out of ignorance and out of fear and weakness. thats the whole idea that im presenting but these r my limits i cant explain any further. i also even go further and claim that its nearly impossible to break that cycle no matter how u try and that every trial is in fact a step further from breaking it. of course these r just my thoughts r now and of course i could be wrong but thats how im convinced things work at the moment and every thing is possible 

  21. Posted

    1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

    @The observer Do as you like. I'm just here to nudge you to a higher perspective, if you want.

    ok im sorry leo i dont want to sound rude but imho my perspective is higher and more comprehensive than the one ur suggesting and i really hope that im missing some thing but it doesnt seem like i am.. ur telling me to surrender to reality and i did only difference i guess is that u might have a different version of surrendering that does not include desire

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    @TrynaBeTurquoise perhaps theres nothing else that we can do about it have u considered that governments r doing their best to protect their people and economies? i can justify the censorship as a way to save humanity from being stupid by not sticking to the best chances we have against the virus. perhaps its true that social distancing is not good enough but its the best in hand and it would be stupid to reject it entirely just b cuz its not efficient enough. if 5% of the world dies its still better than wiping out 90% of humanity so i guess thats what ppl who censor the silly questioning that does not provide any other solutions do

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    2 hours ago, Elham said:

    I've read different theories about why it happens. I like one of them though.

    The theory says that when u experience a Deja vu, it's a sign that u are where your destiny wants u to be (the right place). It means u have lived this life several times and now you are going the same way so u remember some parts of it. 

    haha so i guess that means that i will every time remember the same parts i remembered the last time? it dont make sense b cuz if i lived my life several times before in the same exact details then wheres the beginning? when is the first time ive lived my life without any deja vus haha? or did i experience the same deja vus from the first time lol