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@Jo96 You want to use your intuition. Use it responsibly. I notice permanent changes in myself (ability to let go, relax, more compassion for myself and others, awareness of ego in others etc... You need use it in conjunction with many other tools (reading, books, Qigong, meditation etc). I think in Leo's 5meo video he recommends once a week max. But, really you need to use your intuition. I think the risk of abuse for 5meo is pretty high. The more powerful the tool the more maturity and responsibility is asked of you. There are many other people who have used it in different ways ie Martin Ball. I'd say you are safer going slowly so you can gauge your mental health between trips. Like, maybe once a month or every two weeks with proper safety protocols put in place. It can make you ignorant towards the egos around you and they hate that. So, be wary! No need to rush here. Don't chase pleasure, mystical highs etc.... I personally notice that reality now has a much finer HD than it used to.

Notice how you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of. You need to question your own beliefs as to why God is not infinitely powerful. IS truth silent? Or is that a belief you have? What layer of truth and at what state and in what context? "There is no need to make forum posts asking questions if you are living from absolute consciousness. If you are challenging everything, you must also challenge what you currently believe about God. Just sayin'. All beliefs come crashing down in the end." ^You aren't getting what I am saying. There is no point to anything if you are already infinite conciouseness which is the whole paradox of being God. Because, it's indras net you know? Each atom contains in it the potential of infinity the entire universe. It's not fun talking to someone who says things like "Zen teachers running around yelling etc" because this is a forum where I am questioning my beliefs with you, not yelling at all. Also, Zen is not Leo's teachings and Zen has it's own dogmas and limitations. You unconcisouly give your authority to Zen, imo, but not Leo. How do you know anything is true at all? Have you fully completed your inquery? ARE YOU 100% sure Truth is silent and not, say, this present moment with all its noises and sensations? Aren't these just different aspects of the same truth? I am stepping into a postion of radical not knowing, speaking about Leo's teachings on his own forum. If you can't put that into context then, Idk I am done with this conversation. Leo's teachings are full of paradox. I am fine with Truth, as long as I get to it. It's going to take some years for me to do so. I have a lot of maturing and work to do as I am prone to making blunders still. Every school, every teaching, every book, every video, every lecture, every chemical, etc leaves you with only a partial perspective and often they result in seemingly unreconciable paradox. This is the nature of this reality as it appears to me. Information is so dense, our inclanation to learn and change so slow and frought with the potential for self deception and error... It's really challenging. There seems to be things which I can't prove or disprove that Leo says to me in these videos and these are things which I can't know if I an interpreting him properly or not or understanding the contexts in which he is speaking. The Video I linked above is him talking about God Realization... Not Zen. I won't quit. I will tear down everything until I master life and figure this out.

No, that isn't true. God is infinitely powerful. Could an infinite omniscient being create an experience where there are objects it cant lift? Or, others in which it could not predict or control? Of course it could. Because that is part of the game it's playing. I am not claiming to be in an omniscient state, so be mindful of putting words in my mouth. What I am attempting to do here is be radically open and challenge literally everything until I am True. I don't give a fuck what the truth is as long as I can ground myself in it. Ideally it helps with survival and a great life. So, whatever that is I am game. Okay, good night!

Like I said, God Realization can't be understood here in this medium. Leo is saying It's just me. What would be the difference? It makes no difference to me whether you exist or not. You are just a belief I have, even if you are real. This belief keeps me alive, and grounded and sane. I can zoom in and out and hold multiple lenses at once. To me this is the only way to make sense of spiritual teachings because if you lean to far to any one side whether is solipsism, or materialism, or idealism, or whatever else then you can easily fall into traps. If you lean to far to any one side then you conflate the absolute and the relative. I am not holding on to anything of these concepts. It's all sort of mental jerking off until you are actually God realized. But, then it's too late and the game is over ahaha Idk.

Yeah, for me and my life's work I am more focused on practical ,dualistic spiritual development from breathwork, Qigong, Yoga, tantra, sacred space, Esoterics etc... Non-duality and unity are important of course. Leo is saying very clearly in the video I posted above that it is just me. Which is true. Everything at the highest level is me. But, he is saying it radically so. I am sensing the futility of even speaking to you here given the implications of his claims. It's like he created a logical/ transrational loop with his words that you can't get out of or understand. You can't verify what he is saying unless you ACTUALLY REALIZE YOURSELF AS GOD. But, I am God. So, what is going on? Because, the depth and radicalness of what he is saying means that this conversation CANNOT prove or disprove what he is saying. That, God has to actually realize itself. And, until that happens this all seems like trivial non-dual bullshit that has nothing to do with living a good life. What he is saying might just need the right context. Or, he is just fucking with us. ORRR, I am still a newbie to all this and I just need to contemplate, work at this for a few more years while keeping myself grounded despite his very ungrounding claims.

Yeah, but what you are saying is not what Leo is saying. I don't mean to sound argumentative. Leo seems to be saying something radically different. He says he doesn't exist, that I am all alone and that I am constructing everything. I am fine if you exist, but do you? Would make sense to me. These "God realization videos" create a cycling triviality that really just leaves me back into playing within a relative mystical materialism because that suits social cohesion and survival. That I can remain sane and interact with others. He must be speaking about a state, but not something that is relative. I must be misunderstanding him, and what I think he means. Leo is saying radical things. I Am not believing him, just putting it out there. "You as God have absolute consciousness. What you are seeing is all that exists" is radically different from, what is obvious that my own experience is my whole universe, and yours is yours, sally hers etc. But he isn't saying that. He is saying is clear and explicit that it's just me. Or, I am totally misinterpreting him. He sounds insane... I personally think that there are other people, we need to be grounded and rational, balanced etc... He must be just playing spiritual mind fuck games with people. I can't reconcile how he bounces between solipsism, and then that there are other people. These God realization videos are trivial and arbitrary and leave me feeling like he is just wasting my time.

What I am saying... How do you know it's not just you and you are fooling yourself? How do you know I have my own bubble of awareness? What about Leo Saying he doesn't have his own awareness? Doesn't that upset you? Why are you here? Because it's either true ( I just don't know how to reconcile it) Insane Manipulative and I can't tell which one. Like, when Leo thought if he OD'd on 5meo that he would destroy the whole universe... Clearly that is him becoming ungrounded an putting that in his video.

I clearly stated the point of this post was to play with ideas.

I am saying that too.

Leo explicitly says that what I am experiencing is the WHOLE universe. IF that isn't the case, then he needs to fucking explain that in the moment he makes those statements. FOR YOU, this is YOUR WHOLE UNIVERSE. He should say, you only experience one bubble, there are no other bubbles (because there just aren't I have never experienced another bubble). So, in terms of spirituality this is all there is. This is actual and everything else is imagination or concepts. Regardless of if there is a planet. I can see there actually being a planet, which in order to understand is something I imagine. But, then he says that even me looking at a photograph of a planet is just as imaginary, though contextually different from just me thinking there is a planet. I could go out into space, look at the actually fucking planet, but I still can't prove if it's not some kind of dream or imaginary thing I am doing. Which it is. If God is a radical singular being, imagining others so it doesn't feel alone (which seems so arbitrary it is stupid) then, I guess I just got to keep playing the game and suffer through it. I can't live my life playing with these concepts all the time. Is he just being sloppy, or am I just some idiot? (I am an idiot, but, I can't tell if he is being sloppy) What does it mean to be RADICALLY ONE? Because, I can get oneness in duality as the infinite cosmic intelligence simultaneously playing each of us. But, if It's just this bubble of impossible shapes, an infinitely intelligent strange-loop playing with itself. I can't seem to prove or disprove it because I would have the infinite power to deny what I am doing. There have been times on trips which seem too synchronous and real, so clear to me that IT"S JUST ME FOREVER. But, then when I come back to the relative it's like that was just 'a pipe dream'.. as they call it. I have seen infinity, eternaity. Once when I was like 12 I had a fever and I experience grocked a million years in eternal hellfire... That experience really humbled me. Once I told my mother that "I have killed hundreds of thousand of people" during a fever. For a 12 year old kid to say that... I must have been possessed my a demon... Who was I in a past life? Lol! I have had trips where I realize that this moment is simply infinity playing a game with itself. But, am I just deluded? So, I forget it and just go back to playing this dualistic game of mundane human survival. Which is fine too.

"I Know a time is coming... All words will lose their meaning... BLACK MIRROR!!! BLACK MIRROR..."

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You can save a life by speaking up for sure.

I am okay with that as a truth. I just don't understand it. and if I am playing, there is no risk here because I am eternal and infinite and I am just entertaining myself for eternity. But, I do not KNOW THAT FOR SURE. For me, actually it seems so far given, all my life experience to live as if other exist. Because even from a materialist perspective I am imagining others... ?? I know I am, as I sit here imagining Leo, you and others outside of my direct experience. I know I am imaging the things I am experience too even from a neuroscience perspective. It's like, this totally unverifiable thing as far as I can tell. But, this is why I am here to awaken, learn and find out.

Just continue to share you views, and simply observe. More people will be sharing their stories as time unfolds. Like his God realization video, and he Exercise for realizing you are God video... Either it's really just ME. JUST THIS BUBBLE EXPERIENCE PRETENDING YOU BE ON A FORUM. Or, he is dangerously talking people into solipsism where it is like, just you and Leo because you 'Created Leo'... No. Sure, as God the universal me created and allowed all things. But, not you or me. We are part of this impersonal process. But, if it was just YOU, or just ME... Why would I create this forum? Where there is seemingly other people interacting. I mean, think supply chains, populations, politics, survival etc... All of this is because there are many beings here on this planet. I think there are many times when he has not made it clear this difference between maybe what is ABSOLUTE, and what is Relatively TRUE. But, for the sake of your life what is relatively true it far more important to your well being. People have no fucking idea what is true already... People are so uneducated, self deceived, ego centric, immature. Look at both myself in some context and people like Connor Murphy. I am sure for every 1 famous Connor Murphy there have been 1000's of other fools no one knows about because they have no platforms for us to know. Hey, maybe going insane is part of your process. But, if it can be avoided we all as a community need to ask more powerful questions and take more collective responsibility (as Leo loves to pout... but his embodiment is not complete in any regard). I personally think the world needs an Actualized.org. So, I am here to support Leo as well as anyone. We need to seriously look out for each other. I am here for you guys as long as I am welcome in this space. We are all fail-able. This is serious shit.

It's such a massive undertaking he has done. I really do think he is trying his best. I don't know what to think about Actualized.org except, there is ALOT of good stuff here. That it is radical, and dangerous. Rarely will anything that influences millions of people in such a radical way as Leo is trying to do going to not hurt people. I mean, fuck. I wouldn't be able to do what he is doing knowing I will kill people and ruin lives. But, then again God created a world in which these things happen... I am sure he feels that the Good will outweigh the bad in the long run... All I hope is that whatever problems there are begin to get corrected.

You ain't gonna choose for there not to be a day and night cycle, your next bowel movement or need to eat... Spirituality needs to be grounded in the mundane.

I completely agree. I think his teachings are likely ruining some lives, improving others. He seems to be off in his own world doing the teachings he wants to without checking in with us, doing polls, asking us questions, seeing what our needs are etc. He is in his own world I think too much and the nature of some of his teachings are misleading. Then, when people make mistakes he gets scared because his brand is on the line. There is a reason the medicine science etc works the way it does because it has so many risks. He can shit on modern post secondary institutions but they are far more powerful for ensuring that people actually understand what is being taught. That is why there is testing, standardized testing etc. Esoterics are more challenging and inherently dangerous because he is trying to teach a large audience of people how to reprogram their own minds. He is asking a shit tonne from his audiences. People don't know what they are getting themselves into. I didn't. My misinterpretations and applications of what he has told me has hurt me in pretty big ways. But, I was a fool already hurting my life before his teachings so, I am not blaming Leo. There is no way of knowing you interpreted him correctly. None, there is no back and forth and no accountability. The power dynamic is also strange. The forum has so many limitations as well. He could be asking us more directly what we are experiencing etc... But, he is so fucking steeled and confident, and egotistical he does not do this. He doesn't get how naive, epistemologically fragile we are. Some of his metaphysical videos are so sloppy, confusing and distorting.. You can really lose your mind from them. Something needs to be done, but I have to observe him and learn more before I can know what. I love Leo man, but I love God and the planet as a whole.

Sorry, I wasn't saying anything about you specifically. Trying to make general statements for all of us, regardless of teacher or influencer or field, or school of thought, or religion, or perspective, or interpretations.

Yeah well. Leo has elements of being a Zen Devil. You should expect such. Don't give your authority to some guy on the internet. He is a limited human being who lacks social sensitivity especially on the forum. He admits this to be a weakness. Once he made a joke on the forum saying "whenever you would smoke weed smoke 5meodmt" Which I took seriously. I wouldn't expect someone so wise to be so fucking inconsiderate. I assumed he respected the substance as much as he expects others to do. I failed to be responsible here. But, I am just as prone to self deception as anyone. He has many peoples lives in his hands and he can't fuck around. You made your bed, so commit 100% to being of integrity Leo. We love and need you to be the best you can be. He has a lot of responsibility and should ultimately be held accountable. I would like to see him more vulnerable. But, I am sure he is so steeled from years of interacting with thousands of people... He has a strong fucking will more than anyone I've ever seen. Like, he could be a president... Strong man. He is young, foolish and likely over his head. He has no way of testing how his videos will affect people, and he is likely to blame you for 'miss applying spiritual teachings'... Which is your responsibility, but also he is responsible to. This who game is dangerous and we should expect such. You are literally playing with your entire reality.

Be mindful of thinking everything he says is absolutely true. Leo is young and still learning. Sure, he is a Mountain. But, even then. Not everything he says is likely to be true or accurate. Like anyone he is likely to make mistakes, or to fail to share things that are true to everyone. I think he has a high degree of accuracy. But, for example his ability to heal himself or transmit teachings to people through his mind (which I think he thought he was going to be able to do.. but don't quote me) never came to be. Even Leo I am sure gets swept up by the radical nature of psychedelic use and his own unique limitations and blind spots. You have to be mature and verify things for yourself. Which, would take you 20-30 years if you are working on your job. I am thinking Leo has a super powerful epistemology and metaphysics compared to 99% of the population. But, be wary of the limitations of his medium. Lectures are one of the weakest form for teaching people because they are so passive. They are long, passive, and there is so much information you will be misunderstanding things, forgetting things, not hearing things, distorting what he is saying through your own lens. Obviously you can take notes, pause the video, contemplate etc to improve the experience. Basically, the risk of misapplication is massive. Be careful. Go slow.

No matter how careful Leo is, due to the nature of learning, trial and error and self deception people are going to make critical errors. You can spend time around Leo and his confidence but that does not mean you are mature, understand what he is saying and aren't distorting his teachings for your own spiritual and ego games. He can't fool proof the teachings. A fool can easily turn wisdom into a donkey dick smashing through your intestines and killing you. Check out my post on The importance of Gourd-crafting.

Yup. Your brain matters. If you are taking the risk to expose them to mind altering chemicals then do the most you can to limit the potential of any possible damage.