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This could be quite misleading. “What seems impossible = Truth” seems much closer to me, but even this assumes that the reader is wrong about what they believe is possible. What is impossible is not the case. What is actual, real, possible, existent, etc. is the Truth.

Here’s a thread discussing coral for those curious what it is. https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/15467-what-is-stage-coral-in-spiral-dynamics/ It is essentially a more developed turquoise which is now more individualistic and no longer inhibited by the superego remnants which limit the authentic expression of turquoise beings who still are too docile, passive, and relativistically moral in the eyes of lower stages to be high-level expressions of God Consciousness/enlightenment/awakening. It’s generally understood that coral will look like a much higher level version of stage red which was really our most raw version of individual power the world has yet seen (Genghis Khan for example). Imagine a Jesus who was no longer self sacrificing. A Jesus who used those world famous mystical manipulations of the physical world to harm where necessary for the further expression of Absolute Love in the world. War would certainly be a tool in the arsenal of such a being which we see essentially no turquoise examples of.

Krishna. Through and through. He’s was probably beyond coral, but it’s a good template to use to see something beyond a typical ultra-conscious being who operates with survival-based morality as an ultimate motivating factor for his actions. He acts beyond morality by using morality in its most perfect possible form. He realized and explained that you should not anguish in slaying your enemies if it is your duty as the soul is never born and can never die. Arjuna’s emotional struggle before the beginning of the war in the Bhagavad Gita is an example of flawed morality or morality operated simplistically without knowledge of the individual’s transcendent nature. Arjuna had a very pure heart which expressed a lot of stage green-style compassion. Krishna realized God Consciousness in what appears in many ways to be an Absolute form. Even with what people now call his “Supreme Personification of Godhead,” he knew that this limited expression could not be a full expression of his transcendental nature. He knew that he was in fact the Source of all things to such a degree that he was not above destruction or anything humans simplistically view as evil as it goes against our agendas. If you’ve not taken the time to go through the Bhagavad Gita in full at least once, it’s an absolute must in my opinion if you’re serious about this work. I’ll post a free and well done audio version of it below. Skip the first 10-15 minutes if you don’t care much about the context of the war which is occurring. It’s ultimately not too important for understanding awakening and spirituality.

It’s not just that bad. God is every evil act and every perpetrator of those acts. Which part of omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence seems to have the potential of supporting anything other than this? If something is infinite, how is it somehow separate from a being or action as soon as human morality and survival agendas deem it to be evil or bad?

Every quality of existence is a quality of God. Of course this also includes human qualities.

I think you might benefit from looking into Heartfulness meditation. It’s mindfulness meditation with the focus point as the heart region. The meditation begins with the gentle supposition that the Source is in the heart. I can personally verify much of the supernatural is in fact very real.

HOLY FUCK THIS IS GOLD ?

I think the more important thing to ask is has this spiritual path been of value for you. The results should speak for themselves, but a strong ego can make it hard to believe what you’ve seen.

Christ Consciousness: Everyone is You, so to harm another would be like shooting yourself in the foot. The common conclusion of this realization: Do no harm. A different perspective: To stop shooting yourself in the foot, you have to make violence your enemy which would be to reject an aspect of yourself. One of the most evil things is the attempt to snuff out evil wherever you find it. If this pursuit were ever fully successful, a key part of the drama would be lost. We find ourselves in a fight to the death. Life is a gladiator arena. The beauty is, even death is safe. Permanent harm cannot done, but impermanent harm is inescapable. The impermanent harm allows us to appreciate our state of permanent safety. All gladiators in the arena wish to remove the weapons from their competitor’s hands while convincing themselves and their foes that they are the one whose weapon is nothing to worry about.

Yeah. Here we have it.

Have you tried contemplating on spatial dimensions? I had a pretty profound experience of this merging last week doing so. The insight that sparked the experience of radical oneness was that Reality is zero-dimensional.

Bipolar Disorder & Spiritual Enlightenment - The Accidental Buddha Mental illness is just different modes of perception judged harshly due to their ineffectiveness at furthering the current culture’s collective survival agenda as well as the individual’s survival agenda. Homosexuality was seen as a mental illness. All of this is relative.

What are your estimations for LSD tolerance then? It seems to be accurate for shrooms from what people are saying here. It’d be nice to hear your experience with LSD because this info is a bit hard to find online with any search using “tolerance” pulls up tons of propaganda-ish articles related to LSD addiction lol

This website/calculator gives the same result. 12 days seems to be an accepted timeframe for tolerance to disappear. The calculator is using dried grams btw, so divide your fresh weight by 10 to calculate. https://codepen.io/cyberoxide/full/BaNarGd

God always sees everything that is. God is everything that is. There just so happens to be a narrative going on in our case which says “This isn’t God. This isn’t everything that is. What is experienced right now isn’t the Source.” It’s ironic you’re asking how this happens when you’re the one doing it ? Examine every assumption you have such as God is this, the Source is that, I am a separate and lower thing than the Source or God, etc. Whatever process you’re witnessing when you examine these assumptions is exactly how “God deludes itself.” Truthfully, God does not delude itself. God is. Existence is. And within what is right now, one possibility we see is that a character with a limited identity can occur within what is. When this is what is, this occurrence within what is takes center stage to give a story to what is occurring. This process is no more or less delusional than a flower growing toward the sun or a rain drop falling to the Earth. The character just loves to see things as true vs. delusional. Without the character to create the experience/belief of delusion being the case, you will find no delusion in anything you see. Hope this helps.

@SolarWarden I’m sure he’s having fun with this, but it isn’t helpful to the forum. I’ve misused the forum in the past in a similar way to how he is now. It can be kind of hard to avoid in certain states. I was trying to give him a push in the right direction, but I imagine it will likely go unheeded.

Connor you actually have worthwhile experiences and understanding to share. The video gives ultimately no value to most of the forum users here. Try posting things that are more appropriate for the forum’s purposes. Your podcast with Aaron Abke is a good example of something people here might appreciate and benefit from.

Saying a limitation like that is proof that prayer doesn’t work is like saying because human legs can’t propel you into outer space they don’t allow for movement. The truth is you have brought up some good points about prayer. It’s not some tool by which the ego can use infinite power for its own purposes. It’s very similar to saying meditation doesn’t work tbh. You also can’t meditate a nuclear weapon into your back yard. Prayer, done right, is a form of connection with the Divine.

My friend, everyone here talking against the ego here is doing it motivated almost entirely by their ego. Mw711 had a good response here. EVERYTHING is God. Of course the ego is included in that. To focus on dissolving the ego is ultimately a goal of the ego. If you’re feeling the need to get some materialistic or “lower” activities out of the way, that’s your intuition and your desire. Explore it. You don’t have to stop spiritual practice to do so though. We were not put here by Absolute Perfection in an Infinitely Intelligent design to deconstruct it and run from it 100% of the time. Have some worldly experiences. Learn what there is to be learned from the human experience which is mediated by a survival-focused ego. I wouldn’t be surprised if at the end of this life where I tried my best to become directly conscious of God that I realize “SHIT! I’ve always been God, and I just ruined my first vacation in a while trying to do more work ?” But really, follow your own heart. It will generally create an outcome far better for yourself and others rather than submitting to all the different “shoulds” you hear people telling you throughout life. It’s your journey. Go where you’d like to go, and see the things you’d like to see. But all of this I typed here was just another set of “shoulds” from someone who isn’t yourself.

@Rilles but Reality gave us the means to create and stockpile weapons of mass destruction in such high volumes that we could easily make it all a crater through purely materialistic means. Hmmm ?

I’ve had some deep experiences with prayer. The deepest occurred when I was on an LSD trip. I felt that I should call my mom. She is a devout Christian although she has a pretty open mind and trust of my spirituality as she can feel the Holy Spirit at times with me in ways that she has only felt with a quite limited amount of people even though she’s spent years going to church and being around those folk. At one point during the call, I asked her to pray for me. Essentially right as she began her silent prayer to herself, I felt this incredible warm and palpable loving energy go throughout my entire chest. Now, one might simply say that I was under the influence of a substance at that time and it was similar to a placebo effect which was compounded by the drug. That’s a fair point, but I highly doubt anyone who experienced what I did in that moment would doubt the real power of her prayer. Regardless, I’ve had many other sober experiences with prayer that have shown me it is real and powerful. With certain sincere individuals that I’ve prayed with, I feel the Holy Spirit quite strongly. It’s pretty clear confirmation of the legitimacy of prayer when you experience that. I would view prayer as a time to intentionally connect with God. Don’t make it all about what my ego needs help with or what I want. Make it about feeling your connection to the Divine. Focus on infusing love into your prayer. Who do you know who seems to need it most? I’d say the more you actually care and love for the person and sympathize/empathize with their struggles, the more effective it will be. I would suggest that, when it feels to be right, you re-examine the Christian faith and give it a fair shot. This is not because it’s the only truth. Far from it. I say this because I can personally confirm that there is a real and potent possibility for spiritual connection through it. The issue comes that many Christians are only believers rather than experiencers. I think in many cases a lot of Christians are held back by dogma, misinterpretations, translation errors, and other similar things. There’s a lot of value to be found in many of the world religions. I can personally speak to the efficacy of Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and Christianity due to profound experiences I’ve had with all of these. Many people on this forum experience and understand some deep and necessary truths, but there is still a rejection of many traditional religious practices. Test different methods out for yourself, but trust that if millions or billions of people are doing something there is generally at least something true, real, and effective to be found in that activity. I gave a prayer just now that you will be able to feel the power of prayer in your own life. See if anything changes ? And welcome to the forum!

All of your points seem very interrelated. I don’t see the need to boil it down much further. The most important thing I’ve learned from my business mentor was the most important thing is to take the first concrete step to get started that doesn’t give you much chance to turn around and quit.

I think the obvious reason is Leo does not have a focus on this or see importance in it. The most likely way this would happen is for some of us to make this happen independently of actualized.org/Leo while using it as the foundation. We would be like the first Buddhists to build a temple or setting for the purpose of spreading and expounding upon the teachings of Buddha. Ultimately, there are certain pitfalls and limitations to this, but it still could be beneficial.

@mandyjw the path of least resistance is a wise approach with this work. If he’s drawn enough to do this somewhat intense practice, this could be his path of least resistance, or he could quickly find that it seems unnatural. There’s a lot of effectiveness in following your natural inclinations. I’ve found it has been beneficial to my journey.