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I dislike that there is no vertical component and consideration of cognitive development in Myers-Briggs. It's too essentialist. My results have fluctuated overtime as I've changed.

The original introduction of Vylana, for comparison:

All relationships contain power dynamics. Better to do them consciously than unconsciously.

I see your point. Very David Dedia-esque. It may run the risk of falling into what Emerald is saying, which is leaving the woman in a perpetual state of chasing / anxiety. Depends on how you go about it and what she values in a relationship. Emerald is obviously advocating for a certain kind of relationship here. Which maybe you're not interested in.

Good looks will only help so much if you're chronically online, busy with work and don't approach.

But you could fit that within her frame. In the situation you're describing, you would be doing the leading and handling most of her survival. All of that is investment. Which arguably makes her the "prize".

Yes there's also truth to that.

You don't have to take "intention" too literally if you object to the anthropomorphization. My point is there isn't a static thing called Earth. Earth is evolving, and we are part of that evolutionary process. Yes, I agree that human behavior could be toxic for life as a whole. But geoengineering does not have to be that. You cut off possibilities if you assume human geoengineering just amounts to "disruption". I have no objections to modeling, systems thinking and democratization of projects. The point is beyond immediate human survival. It's about a VISION for humanity, which environmentalists don't have. What is the environmentalist vision for humanity? Living like hippies, making our own soap and doing zero-waste? I don't find that to be a compelling vision. I propose an alternative: humanity as a master of geoengineering.

That makes sense. You want things to go well in the world, not just in your head.

As if a third-party would change anything. People's understanding of politics is so childish.

@Never_give_up got it, thanks for sharing.

But my man, you've already had a life time of validation from women. Maybe it wouldn't send you spiraling now, because you're solid. But imagine you didn't have any of the foundation you have. Even things like emotional resilience and EQ likely have a genetic component to them. You could have had mental illness, or a mom that tried to kill you growing up.

Don't get hung up on reincarnation. You're God. Focus on knowing God.

This was a really good articulation. I think that works well if both parties have secure attachment and are ready for a mature, grounded relationship. But if they need the chase for things to be exciting and have tension, that can derail things. There is some tradeoff between excitement and groundedness.

Good. Logistics is criminally neglected by almost all guys doing game. It's so foolish. Also, if your logistics are terrible, it IS possible to just go to her place. Some girls even prefer that because it's more comfortable for them, versus going to a stranger's apartment. It just won't be as consistent, as you're more at the mercy of fate. Beware of excuses.

I agree. In a scenario where they actually agreed to go out, they'd need help. Support if nothing else. Honestly, just an experience of someone genuinely supporting them could be somewhat healing.

A good meta-lesson for this thread.

If you take their stories at face value, some of them say they have never even experienced positive attention from a woman. My gut reaction is to be skeptical of such stories, because that seems impossible. But, if we are to understand blackpill, it's necessary to at least temporarily step outside your perspective and be charitable to them. Because whether or not their story is "true", it's still "true" for them. Imagine you never received positive attention from a woman growing up. Not a genuine smile, not a hug, nothing. Are you really just "being a victim" at that point?

What's the biggest hypocrisy in the normie worldview from your perspective?

Any particular insights around getting to the point of wanting to improve? How did you end up realizing you actually wanted to create a beautiful life? I feel like that's the bottleneck. If some blackpill / incel wants to improve, that changes everything. But you have to get them to that point first. Otherwise nothing is possible.

Do you not see getting out of the shithole as its own reward? Like, “hey, I’m not in this shithole anymore. That’s an improvement”.

That sounds right. In the past, I have succeeded in helping guys who lacked experience and self-confidence. Guys who, at a minimum, were willing to come out to a bar or nightclub. Even if they were awkward or somewhat socially uncalibrated. But with most of these blackpill guys, you can't even get that. You can't even get them to admit that they should want to improve themselves. So there's just no hope. Which of course is what they want. They don't want hope, hope is too vulnerable for them. I appreciate your insight.

That's a great point. It's the investment and shared experience of bonding itself that holds people together. Not just some intangible chemistry that existed independently of investment. The bonding itself becomes your narrative arc, your story.

Love the objections everyone is bringing up. These are EXACTLY the ideas I wanted to challenge.