Nivsch
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5 hours ago, Karmadhi said:Half call Hamas resistance movement and not terrorists.
Half also think you need to blindly take pills doctor tell you and have zero respect to their body. So?
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4 minutes ago, MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI said:The U.S would have done much worse if we were invased by Hamas. It's crazy how everyone is against Israel. Seems like a strong bias...
And every other western country as well.
Definitely there is an additional psychological layer to the attacks on Israel which is itself really the main root reason, even above the physical war which is the secondary reason.
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@Raze hamas fires rockets since the year 2000 when the 2nd Intifada started. I will read the restriction details you added before I relate to them too.
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13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:The alternative is very simple: not waging a war. Build up better defenses. You will need them anyway since more terrorists will be created by your actions.
The hostages won't be released without a life threat to hamas.
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@Raze Terror organization have to be restricted from marine and air ways.
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1. Absolutely not. From now on the operation is mainly in the ground and in hamas tunnels.
2. There is no blockade. They are an independent state .That called borders with marine and air restrictions. West Bank Palestinians are under PLO responsibility.
3-4. Yes both sides have responsibility to the worsening of the conflict.
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@Raze Israel isn't suppose to leave part of hamas active just like that US and Europe would not be satisfied if ISIS was stay active in some areas. The hypocrite game of making it all a problem Israel created is beyond laughable.
There are many more component to this ancient hate including religious, theologious that would expressed anyway in a form of hamas and terror too even if Israel did everything right.
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@Raze 1. PLO has been treated good by Israel. I dont understand what you mean.
Oslo agreement made the terror much worse by the way, and also the following agreements in the 90's were great and gave a lot of hope to the Palestinians.
What was their answer to that? 2nd Intifada.
2. Iran is the main israel's enemy. What are you talking about? Their regime (not the Iranians) wants to erase Israel from the map regardless of what Israel does or doesnt.
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@Raze And what do you think made PLO to stop the terror and start co-operate with Israel? The war Israel started in 2002 against hamas in the West Bank that lasts couple of years.
Then now you just suggest the soldiers out of Gaza and hamas to re-arm and everything to go back to how it was in oct 6th?
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@Yousif How would you call the Allied attack on Germany in WW2?
Would you think they are as bad as the Nazis?
But I can understand you in the way that if some Israelis are so in rage that call for killing of palestinians in general, then yes, those people who say this are in danger of thinking too similar to the terrorists. So I understand you here.
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3 minutes ago, Yousif said:But it’s not, it’s a choice your government made, and you’re with them on it, again u can’t control the government, but you can control not supporting murder.
By your logic we must not agree with the Allied attacks on Germany because then we justified murder of innocent. Sorry but this is absurd.
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@Yousif I dont understand this game of justified or not justified.
I wish nobody innocent would have been killed. Of course. But this is impossible.
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@Yousif I am not justifying anything, but you will have to bring here an another alternative to how to do this war.
Given hamas tactics, it is impossible to touch him without touch civilians too in most of the attacks.
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@Yousif Suggest a better way to eliminate hamas.
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@Yousif The sum damage could definitely be lower. But the casualities I think not.
I do not support the exaggerated material damage.
But again you must see the equation from both sides what you refuses to do.
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6 minutes ago, Yousif said:this is a pure example of human selfishness and bias, as long as we are safe, fuck everyone else around us.
I don’t really know how I would be able to go on living knowing I ruthlessly selfish/ biased/ vicious, and inhumane, i guess that explains why people ignore the facts as if they don’t exist.
This is how it seems when you don't understand Israel's long accumulated traumas and the fact that the existential threat for Israel frpm Iran's proxies is real and we have to take the other side's intentions seriously.
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Just now, Yousif said:Bro is so focused on the goal that the collateral damage of a whole city and thousands of innocent lives don’t even matter, he just looks the other way.
This is a goal that has tried to be avoided so many time during the last 2 decades and tried to be managed in every way possible.
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3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:There simply isn't a way to elimate every rat in a city. That objective fails to understand the nature of the beast.
Imagine if you made it your goal to kill every rat in your city? You would drive yourself and everyone insane. Rats must be managed, not eliminated.
At least to eliminate enough of them to the level they can no longer dominate in the area and will agree to release our hostages I believe this is a real accelerating factor to all of this war's character.
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1 minute ago, Thought Art said:@Nivsch I am not convinced it’s only a 5%, I think the numbers are larger. But, I’m only just figuring this out. I ask patience from you all. I am trying to see it unbiased and accurately which, I likely will fail at.
Its ok 🙌 I appreciate your approach. All good. The talking about setteling in Gaza are really an extreme margins for all I can estimate as an Israeli citizen listening to our media and conversations.
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@Thought Art Israelis dont want to live there except of 5% far right wingers.
We have built a fence in billions not in order to conquer Gaza after that. This doesnt make sense.
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8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:A good analogy here is if I was hunting rats with dynamite. And my goal was to completely elimate all the rats in your city.
Do you have a better way?
You can not bomb, but then your soldiers will fall like cards and in many thousands until the elimination of hamas will be completed (years).
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8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:If you compare the absolute numbers of civilians killed, the IDF numbers are insane next to Oct 7th. Not to mention the property damage.
But this war's goal is to eliminate hamas completely. This will necessarily take so much more time than the oct 7th attack. Then of course the damage will be far higher.
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14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:It's like if I was hunting for birds with sticks of dynamite and when the bird lands on your house I throw the dynamite through the window of your child's bedroom.
I dont know Leo. There are so many terror targets and booby traps to attack built over 18 years for IDF and we all know hamas tactic to get mixed with civilians. Maybe 1.5 : 1 ratio is unavoidable. Maybe it could be better. Maybe not. I really dont know the answer.
I think that if my government wanted to kill indiscriminantly the ratio was 20:1 (and not 1.5:1). I can agree that the exaggerated material damage is maybe affected by the fact that the goverment is very radical in relation to Israel's average. But about the casualities I tend to think differently than you.
IDF could not bomb anything but then invade a terror base full of traps in every neighborhood built especially for it for 18 years and fall like cards in front of it.
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44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:What does it say about your government if even with their best intentions they are not more accurate than terrorists?
By "best intention" you mean that my government really try to not harm civilians and still not accurate at all in the outcome? Or that you mean that it doesnt really try in your opinion because otherwise the outcome would be different?
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@Karmadhi As long as they live under hamas indoctrination this is already heartbreaking. Now at least this is going to change.