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  1. Posted · Edited by VeganAwake

    And once you reach LOC 1000 your egoic self agenda will convince you there's something else you need to do... and on and on and on the hamster wheel you go. The more you seek the more it perpetuates the belief of the separate sense of self and keeps the illusion going.

    My advice to you is get off the hamster wheel as soon as possible. There is no end and you are not going anywhere.

    THIS is all there is...

    There is nothing outside of THIS...

    There's no negation or subtly rejecting anything here you misunderstood something that I wrote. 

    I'm completely free and no longer a prisoner of my own mind.

    Like I said I can help you with this if you like but you can't come with your glass full... knowing is the Trap Unknowing is the key.

    Identification with the egoic thinking mind is the sickness. And Samadhi is the cure. ❤ please watch this video with your glass empty.

    "The biggest obstacle to Discovery is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge"

     

     

     

     

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    1 hour ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

    @VeganAwake Okay mate I understand, I am just trying to merely say you’ve had an awakening in the 600s and while that is amazing it can go much deeper :) 

    But if you’re happy so am I, however, please be careful if you want to become a teacher, and when you’re ready to go deeper lmk ;) 

    @Serotoninluv 1000 it’s by Ramaji, Book is No mind, No problem, highly recommend, helped me see the mind is nothing but thoughts and never actually existed, and helps you allow awareness to become the forefront instead of background.

    Enlightenment is not a gaining of knowledge, it's a falling away process. You are speaking about Enlightenment as something that happens in the future that is acquired or gained. Like a badge of honor.

    It honestly sounds like you are falling for the biggest trap around enlightenment which is: "Believing that the separate self can become enlightened". There is "no ME" that becomes enlightened. The separate sense of self is completely seen through and falls away under the weight of Truth. All the great Masters understood this.

    ... it's an Unknowing

    The message of Enlightenment has nothing to offer the individual. It's a complete shattering of the belief of a separate ME. When the separate sense of ME falls away, you can untangle yourself from social conditioning which is sometimes referred to as The Matrix... it's simultaneously recognized there never was a separate ME.... the only thing left to recognize is that you are a part of everything that remains. And what is remaining...

    THIS!!...There is nothing outside of THIS. If you can find something outside of THIS let me know!!

    This is 1000...

    Notice the separate sense of ME does not want to dissolve, it will do anything It can to survive whether it's tricking you, and sneaking in the back door and becoming the spiritual ego... it's essentially trying to tag along with you because it wants Enlightenment as well... it's actually quite funny how crafty this little ego bugger is. Once it recognizes Enlightenment is the destruction of itself, it immediately goes into: "THIS IS NOT IT" mode...

    The separate sense of self can never tag along during Enlightenment because Enlightenment is quite literally seeing through the illusion of the separate sense of self...❤ it's recognizing it never existed in the first place. That's why it's described by some Masters as a destructive process.

    Good luck my friend and please don't be afraid to ask if you need any help with this Falling Away process that all the great Masters describe ?

     

     

     

     

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    42 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

    @VeganAwake Okay, it’s your life and I understand your understanding. 

    But, in my honest opinion there is far deeper understandings to go from where you’re at.

    I don’t know if you can see it but subtly you’re rejecting the play& are denying your humanity by saying there’s nothing here.

    you are still a human, if you go and smack your head you will feel pain, if something traumatic happens you will cry. 

    If you choose not to do that PD work or develop your humanity, from the absolute perspective yes there is no difference.

    but can you not see the subtle spiritual bypassing, you’re using your enlightenment/ awakening (experience/ integration idk) as a way to say “so what fuck life it’s meaningless anyways” 

    if you are happy, I’m happy for you and you do you. 

    Just be careful not to use spiritually/ enlightenment as a reason to never experience the many other beautiful aspects of life, it is here to be enjoyed :) 

    Yes the separate self is never happy with where it currently is...it's always looking to attain something else...

    More understanding, more beautiful aspects to experience, more absolute perspective to obtain, more I know something that somebody else doesn't... more more more but you can always recognize it because its never satisfied.

    He looks pretty happy if you ask me... He is from UK also..

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    43 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

    @VeganAwake Yeah, I think it’s best to leave it, but I strongly disagree and have been through the phase you are at now, but it is impossible to put into words. 

    You say duality is an illusion, but saying that is in itself a subtle rejection of duality, as when duality is resolved there is no question of duality or non-duality, but just The Self, therefore you don’t have to reject the small self. 

    Also, I’d be careful disregarding Personal Development work, that involves basically everything on the human dimension including eating healthy, exercising etc.

    of course your goals change, it just depends on each person to how drastic it changes, for example my business evolved to match the understanding, however when you realise the ordinary is actually extraordinary, there is no need for any of this or to teach anything, I highly recommend reading 1000 to understand the Self-Realization I am talking about, Fred Davis is very far away from a full realisation, there are depths to this work and I am not talking about having 1 experience here. 

    I will leave this here outlining some of what being at 1000 is like. 

    RASA 

     

    The end of seeking, grasping and craving. You will no longer suffer from an existential contraction, angst or sense of conflict that persists no matter what. You will finally feel totally relaxed, at ease and in peace.

     

    You live in a state of total let go. You will feel unlimited. You will not feel conditioned or controlled by anyone or anything. You live spontaneously.

     

    Other positive life-enhancing characteristics blossom in you because now you are living fearlessly! You are without fear! As a result, people experience you as more friendly and more positive. You are able to accomplish much more with little or no sense of effort. You can achieve whatever your true desire is because now you are perfectly aligned to the universal power.

     

    Contrary to anti-life enlightenment teachings promoted by monks and celibate yogis, you will find that your senses and your experiences in life are richer and more fulfilling. Everything looks better, sounds better, feels better, tastes better and smells better. For your entire life you were driving with the brakes on. You were not living at full power. At long last now you can live!

     

    You will experience the temporary content that comes and goes the way the sky experiences clouds and weather. The sky remains free as the sky always.

     

    Suffering as you have known it ends. The reality is that life includes pain. Pain cannot be avoided. But suffering is optional. There can still be negative thoughts and emotions as that is part of being a human being. But you will know directly that whatever arises is not me... not mine... and not about me!

     

    Your old way of living will come to a full and complete stop. You will be reborn as your effortless free natural Self or Essence. This ends your "story" of suffering and separation which was never real in the first place.

     

    The issue of "other" gets fully resolved. You know directly and intimately even when you are talking to people face to face that they are your very own Self. They are your Self... my Self... the Self... the One Supreme Self.

     

    The issue of "world out there" gets fully resolved. It becomes crystal clear to you that the world arises from you! YOU are the Source of the world. It is like the world is a dog that is begging to accompany you in life. It needs you but you don't need it. It's a playful celebration. There is no need to deny a world that is not really there... that is just a dream. You are free to enjoy the world!

     

    The issue of "relationships" gets fully resolved. There is no other. All there is is only the Self which is your Self. This means that even when you are in relationship there is nothing to figure out. It is all spontaneous. It is the wisdom display of the one divine Self. The two partners are one dancer.

     

    The issue of "addiction" and chronic inner conflicts gets fully resolved. You realize that everything that arises in you as well as what you say and do is totally spontaneous. It is the action of the universe from one moment to the next. Every moment is vivid, fresh and new. Each moment is a gift. As a result you relax and let go into a full ever expanding enjoyment of this moment as it is. Old bad habits melt away automatically like snow falling on the sun.

     

    You abide in the blessed state of "only don't know." You live like an innocent little child with total faith and trust in this glorious wildly creative universe.

     

    Manifestation becomes effortless. Contrary to tepid views that suggest life ends after enlightenment, the reality is that now finally LIFE BEGINS! One of the benefits of fully realizing you are not the doer, that God or the universe is the doer, is that now you understand that there are NO obstacles to the manifestation of your true spontaneous natural desires! The conventional person stuck in feeling like the doer creates all kinds of obstacles in his mind because he imagines he must do it all. The truth is the exact opposite. You role is simple. Know and feel clearly what you want... then ask for it!

     

    Your resistance to living in each moment disappears. You used to reject and judge your moment to moment experience as not what you want, not good enough, that there must be more etc. Now because your ability to say "no" has been disabled, all you can say is a big warm wonderful "Yes!" to life.

     

    Everything is known to be perfect just as it is. Everything is known to have infinite precious value. You are content. You are fulfilled. You are home.

     

    You feel at all times that you are being yourself. You live in sahaja, meaning the natural state. You feel totally at ease with yourself. Life is effortless.

     

    Although content comes and goes, that which you are does not come and go. It is always present. So no matter what happens there is a foundation to your experience that goes untouched. This is the Diamond Essence of your Being. No matter how dirty it seems to get, it can be instantly washed off. You soon realize that you are free and that nothing can touch you. Not only that, this Diamond Self that you are is rock hard, solid and totally real. Now you have a reliable foundation for living. Now at last you know who you are.

     

    These are just some of the benefits of living at LOC 1000. Realizing your true Self is beyond mystical experiences. The search is completely over. That in itself is such a huge relief! Finally you are HOME. You are your SELF! Finally!

    (from What is Rasa on Ramaji/ Anandas website)

    examples of self realised beings include Ramana, Rupert Spurs, Francis Lucille, Adya, Ramaji Nisgardatta Maharaj, Sadhguru. 

    If you watch Fred for example and then listen to Ramana you will see subtle differences in the teaching, yet Fred is certainly awakened. 

    I agree with a lot of stuff you shared here...❤

    There is simply nothing left here requiring any kind of personal development goals to be accomplished or learned.

    There is no one here to have a need to attain anything. There is no goal, there is no purpose, there is no meaning... nothing really matters that's not a bad thing it's complete boundless freedom...

     I can quite literally sit on the couch and eat cookies for the rest of my life and feel whole and complete the entire time while I'm doing it.

    The illusory egoic self agenda has been completely seen through here...

    Nowhere to go...nothing to do and no one to be...its paradise it's the Kingdom of Heaven it's Enlightenment.

    There's nothing wrong with the way you're doing it either it's all perfect and it's all within THIS... everything happens within THIS... there's no escaping it nor denying it.. ❤

    Pure unconditional love for THIS is what remains...❤

  7. Posted

    6 hours ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

    @VeganAwake  This is also confusion, yes Ego is an 'Illusion' but you can still function AS IF you have a Small Self/ Ego, but the KNOWINGNESS shifts to that you don't. 

    For example if someone calls your name you will turn around, you could call it a 'Pure Ego' but that creates confusion. 

    You will still have a personality and be YOU, in fact more you than ever before, as there is no resistance or blockages to being YOU anymore. 

    Please don't start denying your humanity, you will still be YOU and are still a human relatively speaking. Yes you know yourself as The Self, but so many people want to transcend their humanity instead of embrace it post-awakening. 

     I wish I could link you a private Satsang that explains this better than I can, but it isn't freely available so am unable to, but yes after awakening there is an 'Ego/ Small Self' you no longer identify as it, but you still live as IF there is one and your individuality remains. 

    You get your cake (The Self) and can eat it too! (being YOU as an individual) 

    Think about it, what fun would life be without being an individual? We will all have time to bask in The Self alone when the body ceases to exist. 

    But, when you go full circle Duality is no longer slightly rejected, but instead is embraced fully as this very world is the Buddha planet, now some special place, THIS is it as you always say, but do you realize THIS world is it to? 

    Enjoy duality, as if all is the Self, all can be enjoyed however you please. 

    Think about the 10th Zen picture, he returns to the marketplace with flowers under his feet. 

    This indicates the ordinary being the extraordinary but the flowers symbolise the Self being realized and the change in knowingness. 

     

    'X. In the World Barefooted and naked of breast, I mingle with the people of the world. My clothes are ragged and dust-laden, and I am ever blissful. I use no magic to extend my life; Now, before me, the dead trees become alive. I have abandoned the whip and ropes

    Finally, the tenth picture shows the enlightened oxherd entering the town marketplace, doing all of the ordinary things that everyone else does. But because of his deep awareness everything he does is quite extraordinary. He does not retreat from the world, but shares his enlightened existence with everyone around him. Not only does he lead fishmongers and innkeepers in the way of the Buddha but, because of his creative energy and the radiance of his life, even withered trees bloom.'

    http://www.columbia.edu/cu/weai/exeas/resources/pdf/oxherding.pdf

     

     

    We have actually discussed this topic before...❤

    When your name is called the body turns because of its conditioning... the same way you can drive all the way to the store and not even realize you did it...its conditioning... it runs on autopilot... the sense of personality remaining is also still just the conditioning. 

    Duality is an illusion.... no matter how much you imagine separation to be real, it is an illusion, and just because something appears as separate does not mean it is... Its all One appearing as many.

    It's not that humanity is denied or anything like that, its completely recognized there is no true ME inside the body. 

    There was never a small self and there isn't a large self either that makes no sense... even the big self or true self is an illusion there isn't a ME inside the body period...

    I completely understand what you're talking about with the zen ox heading pictures and returning back to the marketplace. Before Enlightenment chop wood and carry water after Enlightenment chop wood and carry water. The difference is the resistance to what is is dropped...totally got it.

    The path to freedom is not self improvement, or somehow satisfying the self’s agenda, but it’s a dropping of the self’s agenda altogether. Some people fear that awakening their true nature will mean that they lose their individuality and enjoyment of life. 

    Actually, the opposite is true; the unique individuation of the soul can only be expressed when the conditioned self is overcome. Because we remain asleep in the matrix most of us never find out what the soul actually wants to express.

    Maya or the illusion has to have been completely seen through for True Enlightenment to have taken place.

    I am not in any way accusing you of not having a full Enlightenment experience I'm just saying that it seems there are some fairly large differences between my experience and yours..

    Going full circle does not seem to match or describe this experience here.

    For this unit here there was a radical transformation, shift and expanse of Consciousness if you will. I'm not interested in the same things I used to be and almost all of my future goals have completely changed or just dissolved.

    Again I'm not trying to compare experiences or say one was better than the other.

    Instead of calling it going for Circle... I would describe it as "Full self transformation and Liberation from the egoic self agenda and social conditioning which I call The Matrix". ❤

    Merry Christmas brother!! ?

    Talk with you soon hopefully ❤

     

     

     

     

     

  8. Posted

    The conditioned mind interprets things from the subject/object perspective: I'm here, and I'm important, and everything else is out there.

    Our mind creates right and wrongs, good and bad's, should and should not's. It also creates the illusory belief that we are separate, and have Free Will and Choice.

    When the mechanism that creates pain and suffering is completely seen through, and ignorance is dispelled, a deep understanding for why things are the way they are, and why people behave the way they behave...arises.

    This dispelling of ignorance and arising of true wisdom seems to take the sting out of life's so-called negative events(everything is seen as neutral and there not taken personal any longer).  The resistance to what arises out of life is dropped and allows for true unconditional love to shine through. After all the only thing that creates a negative outlook on an event is our own minds perceiving it to be that way. Awareness alone is Curative!!

    2 things that create more pain and suffering:

    1) Constantly seeking to find something outside of oneself to make itself Feel Complete (this seeking perpetuates the illusion/belief that the self is incomplete or lacking on some way).

    2) Resisting what is... (resistance to the current situation that life is presenting... this is actually a form of insanity).

    You don't see gazelles holding grudges on the lion that just ate their brother in the wild... they Shake It Off and move on. They don't have an ego to start over-thinking and creating a bunch of Illusions around what happened to this important personal ME...

    When the fear of death is no longer  an issue... When life is simply experienced with an optimistic open arms approach....when with filters,veils and judgements are removed... life's happenings appear much differently ❤

    Its recognized that:

    Happiness is a choice!! ?

     

     

     

  9. Posted

    27 minutes ago, purerogue said:

    You think that your limited personal mind has intelligence to understand  what it really is funny, you can have had any realization you want, form plays by its design, and is only able to make another interpretation of mind. 

    I guess it depends on your definition of intelligence.

    It may not have the intelligence to understand itself like you said but when the egoic self agenda is recognized to be an illusion, and stops being identified with, the mind can be used in great service to humanity. Of course if existence turns out to Simply Be a dream I guess nothing really matters lol.

    If it wasn't for the mind your ancestors may have got eaten by a saber tooth tiger.

    Everything has its purpose some things just need to be adjusted or tamed down a bit ❤

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    1 minute ago, VeganAwake said:

    I hear this a lot and it seems to cause a lot of confusion...

    There's no master telling anyone to kill the ego... you can't kill the ego...

    The process is a diss identification with the egoic self agenda or ego.

    Essentially the ego deflates and it's rendered useless because you stopped paying it any attention.

    After Awakening the ego is completely seen through and recognized as an illusion ❤

    Loving the ego isn't what you want to do either because it's perpetuating the illusion..

     

     

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    I hear this a lot and it seems to be confused a lot

    There's no master telling anyone to kill the ego... you can't kill the ego...

    The process is a diss identification with the egoic self agenda or ego.

    Essentially the ego deflates and it's rendered useless because you stopped paying it any attention.

    After Awakening the ego is completely seen through and recognized as an illusion ❤

    Loving the ego isn't what you want to do either because it's perpetuating the illusion..

     

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    2 hours ago, purerogue said:

    There are only 2 ways in big picture, ofc  there are way more middle ways and so on , but it does not really change my point, you either are located in mind, or you are out of it.Either way only thing you are contacting with is ego mind, so take everything with grain of salt and not as complete truth, no matter  even if it comes from most Enlightened gurus. 

     

    The ego isint actually real, its completely seen through during Awakening and recognized it never existed in the first place. ❤

    Merry Christmas ?

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    1 hour ago, Anna1 said:

    Then, you didn't really mean this-

    "Even the sense that we are the pure Consciousness aware of everything is an illusion.." ?

    I would say, all there is is being pure consciousness aware of everything. 

    What was meant by this is its very common in the spiritual community for individuals to say they dropped the small self and became the True self or big self. 

    Then these individuals claim that they dropped the sense of self and are just embracing pure conscious awareness... essentially what has happened is the sense of self snuck in the back door and is now claiming its the True self.

    I was saying this sense of true self is also an illusion ❤

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    1 hour ago, Anna1 said:

    Then that's your truth. Not that there isn't one. 

    I disagree.

    So, you aren't aware? 

     

     

    I'm sorry if I offended or hurt you, it was not my intention. I have nothing but unconditional love for THIS!

    From the heart ❤ :

    When the mechanism that creates suffering and separation is seen through there can be nothing else❤ unconditional love IS.

    I'm a little concerned for some of the mods... it's almost as if some of you believe you have to know all the right answers to be a mod... 

    Excuse the language...I have been  experiencing a gradual Enlightenment/Deep SAMADHI experience over the last 3 years... I would be willing to explain my whole story anytime... (there was a lot of suffering and a lot of meditation involved).. I am here to help... Although recently I have realized that everything is perfect, even if One Believes they're a limited separate self...❤

    One of my biggest Awakening experiences occurred after watching Leo's Collective ego video. He really did his homework on this one and hit it spot on like a lot of his videos... very grateful ❤

    It might be beneficial to watch this with razor sharp vision... even Osho fell prey to Collective ego issues..

    Since you're asking I would consider myself a fully balanced stage turquoise according to Leo's spiral Dynamics videos and yes I have paid attention closely.. 3 years ago I started off as some blue some orange some green(center balance) some yellow. Interesting right..

    My deep Samadhi experience almost mimicked exactly that of this video which I stumbled upon after doing YouTube research for something explaining my situation.

    A Course in Miracles explains the separation never occurred...

    Nothing real can be threatened nothing unreal exists herein lies the peace of God.

    The biggest obstacle to Discovery is not ignorance it's the illusion of knowledge..

    Merry Merry Christmas Merry Merry Christmas Merry Merry Christmas Merry Merry Christmas oh what a Merry Christmas Day.....?

     

     

     

  21. Posted

    12 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

    Meaning?

    The TRUTH is there is no TRUTH. It's complete boundless freedom. There is no meaning or purpose to anything because if there were, it would imply that you need to reach something or fulfill the goal. There is no goal there is no meaning there is no purpose there is no truth it's complete Boundless Freedom. Freer than free ❤

    And, what do you mean exactly that your totally empty?

    There is literally no one here...

    Even the sense that we are the pure Consciousness aware of everything is an illusion...

    It's like infinite Smart Energy that's capable of anything... or another way to explain it is pure potentiality. 

    It feels like there is no end to the Smart Energy its infinite...

    Maybe it is all a dream I don't know but this is wild ...

     

  22. Posted

    6 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

    I was referring to awareness/consciousness the fundamental reality of all that is....not personal consciousness. 

     

    I did not say dreamer. I said consciousness is dreaming a dream. The meaning is completely different. 

    I understood sorry...the whole topic is wild... sometimes I just say things to get my own mind questioning...

    I know you guys understand ❤

    Ram Dass used to say " let's all walk each other home"