VeganAwake

It's interesting because I can completely understand how so-called enlightenment would seem/appear/be described this way. It wasn't like amnesia though, or forgetting who you are. It's not a denial, avoidance or disregard of yourself. It's also not forgetting how to function in reality or loosing self control. That would be a mental health issue or something. Nothing actually dies, falls away or collapses.......these are just words used for a lack of being able to describe a non-happening or something that just SEEMS to occur. I can understand how these types of words make it sound like a big actual physical happening of sorts. And the descriptions obviously vary greatly because everyone uses different descriptive wording/language. The sense of self/ego doesn't dissapear, dissolve, die, collapse, merge or ascend anywhere. It's simply recognized as having never been a real separate entity. That's why the word "illusion" seems to fit really well. "Something that looks, feels, or seems real, but is actually false, misleading, or misunderstood" It's not the end of knowing how to function in society and or earning a living for you and your family. You don't forget how to be a banker or lawyer or carpenter for example. I remember how it was being the self character in the past and it's clear how it seemed to emerge at a young age. But that's not saying it might not change either, anything can happen. A lot of people apparently relax a lot more, because there is no longer a "self" needing to uphold the life standards it had adopted once upon a time. It's not a state of mind or achievement someone attains. In other words, the seeker never finds whatever it feels is lacking. It's completely hopeless in that sense. Nobody becomes liberated because nobody was confined in the first place. And THAT very realization is the freedom sought-after. It's just overshadowed by the illusory experience of being incomplete. Reality is already perfectly whole, complete and free. It's unconditional freedom.

Yeah totally, The communication isnt about giving life suggestions about what apparent other people should or shouldn't do. The communication is attempting to point out that the needy individual that endlessly seeks, but is never satisfied, is a self illusion!

Megadeath 🎸

Definitely, it's a critical part of communication, so is body language. Language is definitely an interesting topic. Funny story: I almost fell in love with a way older woman speaking with a French accent to me. Its a very romantic sounding language. I was talking about creating narratives in our minds or adopting others narratives about reality, and then functioning from that perspective, as if those narratives are absolutely true. There's nothing wrong per-se about exploring/imagining different concepts, perspectives, narratives about reality. Like flipping a coin and landing on a new belief system for the next few years. Be weary about anyone claiming to be absolutely certain about anything really. The answer may also be unknowable or incomprehensible.

Stop believing your thoughts have any impact on reality...........it's just total narcissism!

Personal beliefs have nothing to do with reality. You could call reality 100,000,000,000,000,000 different things..................doesn't actually effect anything whatsoever!

Words don't create anything. Empty sounds.

Recycled back into everything ♻️ It's perfectly complete

Not even a sense of "you" prior to birth. The sense of "you" only occurs after birth. When body dies, it will be just like prior birth.........Nothing at all

It will be like before birth!

We aren't talking about the same thing!

Illusions (ego/self) can't die because they were never real from the start. Nobody becomes enlightened. Enlightenment is a recognition for nobody

Its appearing on fleeting dead/empty eyes. Nobody is experiencing, there isn't an experiencer. As soon as something seems to occur, it's gone. This moment gone, this moment gone, this moment gone.........Yes, there seems to be an observer either inside or outside the body, but look very very closely. It's emptiness appearing as an observer. Yes, it always appears to be Now, but nobody is experiencing Now. Nobody is living the Now. Keep looking for "you". What is it? What does "you" actually consist of? These human bodies are empty. Just like animals. No self no soul no spirit nothing. No real meaning or purpose to anything. No creator. No goal to attain or knowledge that needs grasping. "There is only what seems to be happening" - Jim Newman

The real trippy part is this is already the case, it just doesn't feel that way.😳

Urges can still arise, the difference is they aren't arising in someone or for someone, it's no longer personal. The experience of being better or worse off due to circumstance ends. In this case, it's clearly recognized, there isn't an individual that will be better or worse off, whether or not masturbation occurs!

It's identification tactics/shape shifting, is under rated.

The experience of being the body is self illusion. The experience of being the mind is self illusion. The experience of being the ego is self illusion. The experience of being everything is self illusion. The experience of being nothing is self illusion. The belief of being what's left, when everything else is gone, is self illusion.

The freedom lies in recognizing there isn't a "you" suffering in the first place. Then whatever happens, just happens, and that which judges these happenings as good or bad ends.

Yup, and conceptual thoughts only SEEM to shape and describe it. But it's always only what it is, regardless of thoughts and concepts about it.

It's incredibly shocking just how rarely this "self illusion" is seen through. It's endlessly needy, never becomes satisfied and uses a ridiculous amount of energy to uphold. The body will literally be flopping on the ground, tapping out, and it's like: "seek seek seek" "more more more" "answers around the next corner, I can feel it" ♻️ The most stubborn is when it truly believes it already knows (spiritual ego)..........it's a real bitch to see through! The NSE...........Narcissistic Spiritual Ego 🤣

Agreed

Hey then what was all that "ignorance is bliss" crap?

What if that which believes it's in a physical body and requires having an ego, is the ego?

Exactly, there isn't an owner and that so-called knowledgeable "self" which believes it's part of a process unfolding, is a thought based illusion. It doesn't actually know anything because its not actually real. It is simply creating a circular logic "self" affirming dream story about the apparent functioning of reality, and then spins in circles like a hamster on its wheel ♻️ until the physical body dies......end of story! Throughout it's entire spiritually conditioned exploration of reality, it's been nothing but concept after concept placed overtop of reality until one concept seemed to be convincing enough to stick with and turn into a permanent belief system. This belief system actually has nothing important to do with reality. It's a tiny part of reality like a grain of sand, but it's not all of reality or anything silly like that! It's really just a bundle of thoughts, so a grain of sand is actually more real. This belief could be plucked entirely out of existence, and reality would continue to function as normal.