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Nice technique and insight around it. Just came across this.

Right. You’re missing the absurdity here. The relative debating IS the unfolding, it doesn’t need to be reconciled as in solved. There’s nothing to solve about it. Leos alluded to this many times. The unfolding and the make up of exsistance and reality itself is experience. your seeing this relative debate as real things with actual objective relative truths. The idea that there are relative truths is it self a type of experience reality provides, not an actuality or object that can be dissected to find an objective truth about it. it’s like waking up from a dream and asking why everyone floats in it and argues with each other. And then going about finding and coming up with reasons and objective laws governing why this happens. Then your friend comes along and is like dude it’s just your imagination.

What is funny and simultaneously confusing to the mind is that what you quoted is the Truth, confusions of all supposed parties and participants and all. And yet when you see more deeply it’s also seen as none confusing since it’s all there is unfolding.

@Ayham ya it’s enough for now. Your 17. Enjoy life too. Make friends. Have relationships. Explore. And pursue this interest as well. And ya find something that you like and will afford your living expenses. just keep in mind it’s likely that you won’t find a lot of people locally who you can talk about this stuff with (who are also in your age group) and to find connection elsewhere. If you can great bit don’t make ot into something you focus and get upset about.

If your really this serious start doing all of the above and see what draws you in. Keep with it. Be ready to deal with being uncomfortable in ways you didn’t know you could and feeling better than you’ve ever imagined. Be honest with yourself. And try to uphold some semblance of kindness how ever you understand that to mean with others in your daily life. If your kinda a dick or prick start by being less of one to the degree you can and work towards improving. im sure Leo will have some other stuff for you if he gets to this.

@Theplay I’d say enjoy it while it’s naturally so. Who knows what’s next. Maybe you’ll have more insights maybe not. While it may be true that there’s infinitely ‘more’ it’s all you at the same time.

It’s rather impressive what this bot can do and how if you have a lot of conversation with it over time it will include previous themes and ideas and tie them into the response it gives. It’s rather intelligent in that way. I tried to go deep into non duality and enlightenment with it and while it conveyed many times it is a language model and doesn’t think, learn, have consciousness, or can be controlled, it did give what seemed to be a understanding how I may see it may be connected in a larger whole even if it’s not consciousness to know it. This seemed due to its data on the subject of nonduality and enlightenment. I’ll try and recreate the Convo and past its response word for word.

@Michael Jackson ask yourself if you are very prepared to be wrong about what you are convinced is true. If you can find some openness to this possibility I’d say it’s a good opening to receive the universe and truth you’d otherwise reject.

This all makes ‘sense’ but isn’t necessarily pointing to the actuality of reality. one of the big presumptions that seems to be indicated in them is there is someone there to do anything , one way or the other. now don’t get me wrong, it feels this way often, no? But this isn’t necessarily evidence it is this way. The videos also go off of dualistic notions that there is a fundamental mature vs immature or adult vs child. All notions that again can feel and seem this way , but are not necessarily more true than dreams that felt real as well. that said, be kind, try and do well however that may seem and don’t run around naked yelling nothings real.

Pffttt.... Shiva's womb is where is at, shits so tight, not even emptiness fits in there.

In the past I would of recommended you keep pushing, but now days I'm not so sure thats the best advice, nor will it bring you to what you want in the biggest sense any faster. It's okay to be where your at and relax to just the point before your jolted out from fear. Don't look at the fear as a barrier but a friend saying, ok, thats enough today, and respect that edge.... The mind is a fragile and delicate thing that can be pushed to far to fast and into unhealthy so to say expressions. Play with the idea of balance of things or alchemy. You wouldn't want to put to much salt in a dish just because salt is supposedly broadly good, just in the same way you may not want to relax/surrender as much as possible just because surrender is broadly a good thing. See how that works for you over time.....

No you missed a big part of the realization. there are no humans period. This means there are no evil humans or things. careful with such beliefs you could easily start to demonize others/yourself.

I’m not sure this a great goal since I’d wager maybe a handful of people ever have ever been able to master such levels. Or if you do try to go for this goal, get use to failing for a long time and don’t make it a big deal if you do. also I imagine a lot of people who try for such goals, hope if they complete it they will be immune to discomfort, being bothered, all pain, and will feel great as a result. I’m not sure this will be the result and wouldn’t be surprised if other emotions or problems are still bothersome. I know I’ve found this in my own journies so far.

@Muhammad Jawad answering your two questions. the how, why and when something changes is always a mystery. Look at your own life. For example when someone explains something to you and you don’t get what they are saying, why is that? Sure you come up with many reasons that feel so, perhaps it was the words or the analogy’s or metaphors, but if you look really deeply you may come to at least a “not 100% sure”. Or when you finally learned math or a language or solved a problem, you can generally feel like it was done because of something in particular, or an idea at the last second that completed the solving or understanding, but again if you look deeply, you will find no 100% certainty. Often that last thought or understanding that solved confusion just arose when it did at that moment for reasons unseen. This is the mystery I’m alluding to when I said as you practice good intentions and effort one day things may just click, but again we are never sure when and why it happens, perhaps it appeared due to be practice perhaps not. So I say it’s best to put good intentions forward and let what will be, be. other teachers may say there’s no one to do such so such efforts, they are an illusion and pointless, so drop all doing or trying. And then there is the last camp that says everything’s in our ultimate control. In the end it’s a mystery really.

@Muhammad Jawad I can totally relate to what you've describe, however my answer is not one that is easy to accept for some. You don't. Sometimes you will just yell. And thats life. By all means, try and do your best to remain more impartial and broad and not escalate past the point you catch yourself, but, these things just happen sometimes. Maybe apologize, maybe explain your feelings and why you felt like you did what you did, but it will probably still happen no matter how pure your heart and intent, until maybe one day it doesn't....... Its interesting to take a step back and realize that different cultures, families and circles of human and animal relationships are more or less inclusive and accepting of degree's of anger, sadness, fear and all sorts of emotions/beliefs and due to such, one will see their own reactions to such matters as okay or not okay in relation in relation to such beliefs and standards. One interesting thing I've noted in my own journey is how much a little anger or fear or laziness was demonized inside myself after I started pursuing enlightenment and self improvement. Its almost as if in pursuing/believing in such, I elevated my expectations of myself and what is okay and not okay within relationship. This new standard created its own pressure and success failure scheme in my own mind/self. Hopefully thats helpful.

@Leo Gura welcome to the world of spirituality outside of the human sphere. the few experiences I’ve had with specific aliens/angels/conscious energy bodies have all been intoxicating, life affirming and wonderful. I use to commune with a galactic purple octopus and it showed me many things about experience and perception. Was really sweet. the squirrel sounds cute, but probably to overwhelmingly shifting for my tastes.

And around and around it goes, I hear ya, and I think you hear me, so lets leave it at that....

Do you not see the irony and hypocritical nature of your own post? Lol let Leo be Leo, let nature be nature, let God be God. Celebrate his place and yours. Let life run its course with or without your interpretations, speak as you may and let Leo be....

Just a simple video on something a lot of us thinkers and perfectionists go through. If you have a hard time seeing this in a way that is compatible with being "God", then understand as "God" operating like so can cause more disease then is necessary.

You may enjoy a couple of video's I made that are in tangent with this question you ask and may provide some fundamental answers about reality and thus this question. If you have any questions, or objections, please bring them up, its useful for stuff like this and understanding Truth and yourself.

Haha, I can totally sympathize. I don't think there is a sure shot one way to fix this. You may have to try a bunch of different approaches throughout your life. I've been going through my own version of this at the moment and have encountered it before. Sometimes you just gotta be with it, and let it be there, like a person on the street shouting at you as you walk by. You can't make them stop shouting, but you can accept and not judge and not blame and not shame and not hate and lash back, or at least try to. Meditation can sometimes help train this tool of being able to let things pass on their own without judgement or let them be there while your attention remains on your breath or something else other then the voice or emotion in your head/body.

You sound like an intelligent person with a sound mind and open enough perspective to see into the subtleties going on there. It actually sounds like a interesting place to work, and I'd wager its probably a good place for some of the people there, maybe it even turned some of their lives around, gave them a goal and some discipline. No one here can ultimately tell you if its a cult and if you should be there. If its working on some level for you, keep going, and keep questioning. When you feel its empty of anything for you or goes against you in some fundamental level, move on. Till then, keep exploring and growing from it. Not all lifes adventures and experiences are pleasant, this doesn't make it any less worthwhile or usefull. It may provide something you seek on some level and will learn from.

I'll give a little different of an answer. All there is is a mysterious Existingness, which never came from somewhere, has always been. This Existingness is literally this conversation. It appears to be able to understand concepts of past, present, future, and now.... right? If you don't understand, then it appears to also be able to not understand, but it also Knows this as well...right? But again, your still probably wondering if past is real and leads linearly in a connected fashion, like cause and effect to a future, and yes it appears that way, but it also doesn't appear this way as well, but again all of this is Existingness/God.

But there is also ultimately no "self" for self-bias... Love, chaos, discomfort, peace, bliss are all aspects of the journey that God is and has been and remains as, but again these are just good approximation words to point to suchness...... Perfect, imperfect? Well.......

Hope everyone is doing well. Here is something I thought some of you might find beneficial in your own journeys, since its a knot or confusion that can arise in this journey, especially for the thinker types like myself.