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Thanks for the correction, you're right. So the universe created the limited human self to appreciate Love through form? Is that what this is? And I have another question. How does the Universe "know" things like that if it's formless? How can intelligence and knowledge be a-mechanical? This seems an obvious impossibility.

This insight just came while I was filling out Leo's "What is Love" worksheet. After getting halfway through, a piercing, crystal clear idea raced into my head. "It's all Love." Wait, what if it was that simple? And what does that mean? I reflected a little more. Humans only do things out of Love. As Rupert Spira has said (paraphrased), Love is awareness, Love is the Source, and what we call "hate" is just Love being filtered and distorted through ego (separation). Yes, of course we all know this. But a further implication revealed itself to me! I connected this with what Leo said, that all human qualities must also by definition be qualities of the universe, because I am the universe. How can I possess a quality which the universe does not? Humans are the first and only species that we know of that can self inquire and discover that Love is the only thing that drives him. It was the universe that discovered that through us. Therefore, Love is the only driving force in the You-niverse. I can't communicate to you how deeply, broadly, and clearly this hit me just a few minutes ago. You think you understand. But you do not. Even my expanded understanding is extremely limited, less than a fraction of it, because it is indeed infinite. Understanding this is like looking at the stars on a crisp night in Canyonlands while trying to grasp the vastness of space. Surrendering yourself becomes the only option. Have a blessed night ?

@Adam M the last verses were really good. The only revolution is the one that happens inside of you. It was like "Man in the Mirror" except not as uplifting. About the stage Yellow though, you can have an insight like that without being anywhere close to yellow. This song isn't an example of systems thinking. That would be like, an order of magnitude deeper, like talking about the interconnectedness of all life on Earth, or a completely "unrelated" system leading to change in another. Stage Yellow is multi-perspectival. J. Cole saw the cyclical nature of power and described how it changes from the 1% to the 99% and back again. One dimension. Granted, I don't know anything about J. Cole the person, but I highly doubt he's socially developed beyond orange/green. Some of his views are still held back by racism, and there's an underlying distrust/hate in his writing that would definitely be transcended if he evolved through Green.

@LeoIsMe69 is your post satire? It's right on that line, and I honestly can't tell.

Never heard that one before lol.

So... what is an experience inferior to? Isn't that literally what all this existence is? Describe something that you're not experiencing. He's grown a lot since dark side of mediation. You can connect with facets of the Absolute on psychedelics, literally realize yourself as God, and to call it "just an experience" would be a travesty.

@Fuku haha, I've done enough of these to understand that any truths expressed through words are relative and partial. So from another certain perspective, every truth must be false. For instance, let's say I believe "I am alive." Probably the most "indisputable" truth that 99.9% of human race believes. But upon further inspection, you realize that you picked up this notion of "alive" from your culture growing up, and you were told it contrasted with "death." But, have you ever experienced death? "Well no, duh, then I wouldn't be alive to communicate it!" And Bam! If you're savvy then it hits you. "How can I prove I'm not dead? Isn't this circular logic? Holy shit, am I not the only authority on what state I'm in? Does life and death even exist?" Everyone believes they are alive and Ghandi is dead, but no one can actually prove it. It's an a priori truth, and of course those are the ones that should be questioned the most. It's like the queen of diamonds at the bottom of a precarious house of cards.

This is a valid point, and I totally see what you're saying. But I thought I'd share another perspective. Assuming this actually happened to Leo (which I have no reason not to believe, he's the most authentic person I know), then consider the following: 1. Not talking about this experience would be inauthentic. Who gives a shit about what other people think. This is his own path, and he's actually done a great deal of work to help innoculate us from cult tendencies. He did not claim ownership over the right to contact infinite intelligence. None of the information conveyed was ego-inflating. 2. Leo writing this blog is in Infinite Intelligence's plan, as it must be. Contemplate that. This possibility must be explored because God wants to know itself. This doesn't mean I blindly believe everything that was written. I mean, it wasn't really groundbreaking. But it means I honestly have no grounds on which to criticize it.

@Ibn Sina literally all your objections are answered in the video. The whole video. Allow yourself to listen before coming here to complain about "problems" with it.

@Mezanti then you didn't take LSD. You were sold bunk

@Mezanti 25ug is basically a microdose, so you're not going to get anything except subtle sensory enhancement and mood lift. Which can be a great experience in it's own right. If you want a light *trip*, 100-150ug is the perfect starter dose to really see what this is about. Imo, 60ug isn't really worth your time. And if you're insanely nervous about 100ug, don't be. You're not going to die, it's a very pleasant experience.

I did my best, but it cannot be done. Tell your ego to shut up about things it can't understand

@rnd awakening isn't an on/off switch, there are many different degrees. Basically though, you cease to exist. You'd think it would be scary, and it often is leading up to it, but there's no "you" to feel fear. "You" disintegrate and you realize you are consciousness itself, you are everything. "You" have to die to achieve this realization, so awakening is also death, then rebirth. The experience is direct consciousness of the true Self, of at least one of its aspects, so it cannot be communicated through words. But the best way I can describe it to you is death.

Word of advice, just accept flowboys message without getting defensive, and move on. You guys are going back and forth over nothing. Not every piece of advice is meant to start a conversation. Case in point, this message. If you feel the need to rebuke it or get defensive, notice that urge within you. That's ego. And follow Leo's latest advice: "Let it go."

@Leo Gura Why don't you ask infinite intelligence how many people alive today have directly accessed it? Why don't you ask it what the akashic records are? Why didn't you ask it new things instead of rehashing the same points? Is that impossible because it would break the balance or disrupt your path?

Answers is a verb here. Chain of causation. 5 leads to 4, which leads to 3.... So obviously answer 7 and 5 first, then the rest will follow.

....if he said that, it's way off the mark. Yeah he mentioned "justice" a lot, but he referred to it in the cosmic sense of duty, not as a dogmatic following of tradition. He was a systems thinker. Quite remarkable for 2000 years ago, I highly recommend reading Meditations.

After reading meditations, I'm pretty sure Marcus Aurelias was straight yellow.

5. Dream. You probably already know, you have just tried so hard to bury it. This one is about peeling back layers of bullshit. 6-7. Self inquiry, journaling, psychedelics, observation. 5 answers 4 answers 3 answers 2 answers 1.

It's funny watching you get riled up. Would your opinion change if I had a downvote button?

It would sure be easier to be your friend if you didn't take my criticism of a relative viewpoint to be a condemnation of it. I know for a fact I'm not convincing you of anything. This isn't scarcity mindset here, we can each voice different opinions and have them lay on the same table. I actually laid out our fundamental difference very succinctly: freedom of speech (despite cost), over freedom from adversity. You think we need protection from the outside fringes of manipulative or dangerous free speech, and you believe the answer is to limit free speech. Now this is tricky, and I halfway agree with you. This is why I'm not judging your viewpoint, cause I understand it. Just know it's a fact that's a slippery slope that will start to eat up the original freedom we fought to protect. Some of it is unavoidable though, that's the fine line of freedom. Limiting freedom in the right ways gets you more freedom. I just don't agree with this specific instance.

@CreamCat so the freedom to speak without being downvoted is more important than the freedom of speech? I fundamentally disagree with that. You said that you'd like the OP to be able to delete any comment. How this would be used in real life is that many would monitor their posts and delete any conflicting comments. Not rude ones, just ones that they merely didn't agree with. Now, how would you feel as a commenter if you knew your comment could be immediately deleted for no reason? I know I'd think twice about voicing my opinion. Downvotes are literally imaginary internet points. Deleted comments are wasted time, oppression in real life. Don't worry, for bad cases there's a "report button." But you need a verifyable reason to erase someone else's content, otherwise the whole system gets fucked up. Now, I've thought about this before, cause on the surface it seems like you can just erase the downvote and it'd be an absolute win. But the downvote serves an important function. Sure it could be deleted, but then reddit would stop being reddit in obvious ways. I'll let you ponder that.

@Farnaby oooooo, what's really going to bake your noodle is if Leo would have the same teachings of the Solipsist hadn't said anything?

That would be heavily abused and it would break reddit. What's wrong with the downvote, and why do you care?

@CreamCat I like reddit, but it can be a huge waste of time if you're not careful. I got in a discussion with a person over the true use of science and its limitations. Of course I knew it wasn't going to go over well beforehand, but I was still drawn to do it. Basically every comment thread is completely pointless unless you're just complimenting someone or being humorous. It doesn't matter how clearly you explain high consciousness topics, people just won't be able to get it. Seeing reddit for what it is, it's still my favorite "social media" / "news" site, I really like the concept.