Most PUAs drink. And sometimes a lot.
I really admire those who go 100% sober, which is one reason I admire Owen.
Sure, you can. His advice on leading and handling logistics is solid.
I am not disputing John's game. It is solid and practical. I was talking about him shitting on all the other coaches. This is in poor taste and discounts the pioneering work of someone like Owen. Regardless of Owen's lay count he has done pioneering work in this field, as has all of RSD. To dismiss all their work so flippantly as John does is not intellectually integrous.
Firstly, he saw me maybe do a couple of approaches at most, from afar. Which says little about my game. I can also say that I have seen him get blown out by girls by pulling them too early and aggressively.
Secondly, when he saw me back in 2013, I was a hard case newbie who had 1 year of experience in game. Of course a newbie will be uncalibrated.
Even the best coaches in the world will get blown out hard each week by a few girls.
I practiced a lot of physical game in Vegas back in 2013, and yeah, very direct physical game produces lots of instant blow outs. But it can also hook like crazy. Some of my most amazing sets came from very direct physical game. People are amazed when they see it hook instantly. It's so on it's shocking. It's an important skill to develop for very loud and crowded clubs.

There is never a guaranteed path to exceptional success. That's part of the challenge! You have to do it despite everything in the environment telling you you'll fail.
Escaping wage slavery is not for people who need guaranteed paths and others to cheer-lead them. Escaping wage slavery is for people who are willing to do the work even everyone around them says it's impossible and that you shouldn't even try. You need massive vision and an irrational belief in yourself. You need to be so confident and adamant that even when you're failing you think you're succeeding.
In other words, your inner game is not appropriate for escaping wage slavery. You're hoping for some kind of promises and hand-holding -- but that's too weak of an attitude for creating serious success.
I should be here telling you that you'll fail no matter what you do. And you should be here telling me, "No, fuck you Leo! I will succeed no matter what you say. I will make so much money I will use $100 bills to light my cigars."

By definition everyone cannot escape wage slavery. It is not possible at a collective level. But it is possible for you at an individual level.
Not everyone can be a millionaire, but you can if you want it bad enough.

Lol. John knows nothing about me or my game.
He talks shit about everyone as part of his marketing strategy. It's toxic. His approach to marketing himself is the same as his approach to gaming girls. Like I said before, a low integrity PUA is going to not just treat girls badly, he will treat everyone in a manipulative way, especially his clients and customers. He's gaming you with the same integrity he games girls.
I was not known in the community at all because I was a nobody, there was nothing noteworthy about my game, and I never made any claims about my skills or results. This whole dick measuring contest about who has the best game is childish. All that matters is that you are improving your game. You can learn valuable lessons from all the instructors. You can also acquire many toxic ideas and habits if you're not careful.
There is nothing more creepy than having your wingmen imprisoned for rape and yourself having rape accusations brought to court. Next to that I am a saint.
Remember, I am not a pickup coach and I never was. So don't compare me to those type of guys. I was critical of the pickup community from the day I learned about pickup. Obviously much of it is low consciousness and toxic stuff sourced from deep trauma and lack of spiritual development.
Be careful who you learn from. Their integrity, or lack thereof, will rub off on you.
Have I done some flashy game? Sure. Have I turned girls off? Of course. That's all part of learning game. Flashy game is not solid game. I explained this in my How To Get Laid videos. But exploring flash is valuable nonetheless. Knowing how to do a bit of flash at the right time is very effective. People also have different styles of game. And much of what is considered flash is also just part of self-amusement and warming up. Sometimes I will say something silly or outrageous just to blow up a set and put myself into a playful mood.
Keep in mind that all my game was done sober. Most of John's game was done drunk while he was gaming in Vegas. He says he quit drinking now -- which is great if true -- but that's after 10 years of drunk game. The majority of his supposed lay count is drunk game. I had to build my state from zero each night. So did Owen.

This is not a matter of trusting Owen. Carefully consider his perspective, running it through your own critical thinking, wisdom, and Tier 2 understanding. Sort the signal from the noise.
There is always a lot of signal in Owen's talks.

You should be working on raising your value every day for the rest of your life. Pretty soon you will be in the top 1% of guys and you will be so unique and valuable, no one will be able to compete with you.
This is not for girls, this is for you. The girl just gets to feel the glow of your inherent awesomeness.
This is not about girls! This is about self-actualization!
Ground your confidence in self-actualization and self-realization. Put your nose to the grindstone. Other guys are irrelevant. Actualize yourself.

You have a bias against death.
That's the core falsehood.
The truth is that nothing matters. Yet if you align with that you will die. Therefore to be alive you gotta be in falsehood.

Take a psychedelic and you'll see how obvious it is. You will laugh.

What's holding you back is your state of consciousness.
If you don't change your state you will never realize you are the coffee table.

You can certainly flip a girl around if she is cold on approach.
But it's not going to be something you do consistently.
Just focus on improving your game rather than aiming for some magical 100% consistency.
Even the best guys in the world get blown out all the time.
I know many guys who are very good. And they have bad nights frequently. It's a very chaotic process.

Your "high quality" girl still wants fun, emotions, value, and leadership. A high quality girl has options. She won't be attracted to some needy inexperienced ass.
For a guy to get a good relationship requires hundreds of approaches.
You are assuming attraction. But that cannot be assumed.
A guy needs a lot of "customers" to get the experience necessary to be the kind of strong man & leader a high quality girl expects him to be.
Every girl wants the sausage but doesn't want to know how it's made. As it turns out, being a man tends to be a dirty business.

Even those girls are still going to get attracted at an emotional not a logical level.
And obviously we are generalizing. Not even all girls like dick. The exceptions demonstrate the rule.
Even the emotional guys are still logical relative to girls. Consider that gender is more fundamental than personality type. Female cats still go into heat and want to be fucked. This dynamic is way more primal than personality type or even humanness.

It exists in this dream of yours as a concept.
A fundamental part of how your Mind constructs "material reality" is by creating a distinction between actual vs conceptual things.
But of course you could stop dreaming that distinction, which could allow a Flying Spaghetti Monster to materialize. But the ego has no control over this. Therefore you don't take the possibility seriously and dismiss it as "fantasy" or wishful thinking.
But if you took enough Salvia or LSD, you could see a real material Flying Spaghetti Monster. Of course afterwards you would probably rationalize it away as "unreal". But you're doing that in order to maintain your construction of a "material reality". If you didn't actively do this, material reality would start to dematerialize, which you would perceive as going insane.
Understand this: if you allowed yourself to see a physical Flying Spaghetti Monster you would think you lost your mind and start taking anti-psychotic medication just to curb the fear of losing your mind.
People don't realize how much their "reality" and "sanity" are connected.
The highest spiritual insights and experiences would be considered insane by most people. This must be the case in order to maintain the illusion of "material reality."
If someone like Jordan Peterson took enough psychedelics or meditated long enough, he would start to go insane and freak the fuck out as his whole sense of reality collapsed around him. It would be quite dangerous.

Where does the present exist? Where does anything exist?
Where did whereness come from?
That could be your koan

That's a very difficult issue. In practice to get good at game you have to not settle down for a while. But girls will not like it. So there is an ethical trade off there. If you are pulling from clubs it's gonna be easier not to settle down vs doing dating. Dating sets up an expectation that you want her as your GF. She will tend to expect that. So one way to go is to wear your player frame very upfront, so she's not confusing you for BF material.
But even so, most girls will want to make you exclusive if you sleep with them more than once.
There is a good reason why most guys are not great at game: you basically have to have very little empathy for the girls to pull it off. The more selfish you are, the more girls you will get. There's no way around that. Girls love to sleep with detached sociopathic players.
I am not telling what to do, I am telling you the realities of attraction.

A) Pay cover.
B) Bribe the bouncer.
C) Grab girls off the street and drag them into the club with you.
D) Find & befriend promoters who can put you on VIP guest list if you bring girls.
E) Make a deep social circle of girls who club regularly and invite them out the club with you.
Option C & D is best.
Some nights in Vegas I might pay $150 cover just to get into the club. Usually I can get in free using a combination of the other options above. And I can often even skip the line.
You can also game outside of clubs around closing time. This is the poor man's option.

I've never seen a problem getting into a club solo. You just pay cover.
Not sure how clubs are in your area. All the clubs I've been to charge guys cover and they don't care about group size.
I would try to frame it as them joining you. If you get on the guest list using a promoter you can say, "Hey, ladies. I'm on the VIP guest list. Would you like to join me?"
Or just chat them up real good so they like your company. Then say, "Hey, let's walk in together as we're chatting." Try to approach girls not in line but further away. You can even find girls who were not planning to go to the club and invite them to join you. This is ideal.
I've done this frequently in Vegas.

The secret to club game is: live in a city with good clubs. If the clubs in your town suck then it won't work so well.
Also, you gotta get really good at pulling. Pulling is a whole skillset onto itself. It is not at all like doing dates. You have to get really experienced at leading and handling logistics bullshit.
But once you learn that, it's actually easier and faster to pull than to date.
But hey, nothing wrong with dating if that's what your city allows.

Yes, girls fly in here just to fuck sometimes.
It is easier to pull, but still challenging as a newbie/intermediate because you gotta be real good at handling logistics and the girl's friends will often not let her go with you even if she really wants to. So many pulls are lost thanks to friends cockblocking. At least half your pulls will be lost due to friends alone.
Lots of tables also makes it harder to pull than most other cities. The hottest girls are at tables you cannot access. So Vegas does have unique challenges. You need skill to pull here. And phone numbers and dates are basically impossible here. You either close same-night or you never see her again. No second chances here so you gotta be ruthless with pulling. Normal cities are easier for newbies because you can get lots of phone numbers and dates.
Vegas is as hardcore as game gets. It's like trench warfare, face in the mud. It's pretty competitive here too. Lots of guys got serious game here.

Reality is ONE. All the orders are illusory.
You are seeing reality as it absolutely is at all times.
It's everything you see, exactly as it appears, with nothing behind it.
Stop trying to ground reality in anything else. Everything is itself. A=A

If you just want to socialize, day game is a poor choice because volume of people is low and they are all busy doing stuff so they will not stand around just chatting with you. Day game is good for direct approaches and getting phone numbers.
If you want serious socialization practice then bars would be ideal.
If you approach a girl during the day, you need to be hitting on her directly. You're not there to chit-chat.
If you want the easiest way to practice socializing, go to a mall and socialize with all the clerks. Don't hit on them, just try to see how long you can keep a friendly conversation going. Go during the slow part of the day where they have nothing to do but talk to you.

Dude, then your problem isn't lack of humor. You don't need to run a comedy routine for a girl for 4 hours to get her to sleep with you.
Humor is mostly necessary only in the beginning. Once she is attracted, you then need to shift in to building deep intimacy, connection, and comfort. This is what the majority of your date should be about. You do this not through humor but by sharing stories from your life, your values, your dreams, your passions, and asking about hers. Little humor is necessary here. And then while you're doing that you must also ramp up the physical escalation. Once you're 2hrs+ into a date most of the work should be done via just silence and physical escalation. Your hands should be all over her body by that point, you should be leading her around, kissing her, making out, heavy sexual eye contact, and getting her horny.
You don't need to be a dancing monkey. And you don't need a bunch of vapid small talk. Get to the business of turning her body on. You're here to fuck her, not to play talk show host.
You need to learn the power of silence and simply eye contact. Talk way slower.
It's not gonna be boring if your properly physically escalate and are making her horny.

I know some of you guys here are struggling to learn game and struggling to find wingmen.
Here's a resource that lists Telegram groups for wingmen in every city in the world:
https://www.gameglobal.net/groups/
Scroll down the list to find your city.
Learning game solo as a newbie is nearly impossible, so make sure you make use of wings. Just be careful when selecting your wingman that you don't use him as a crutch to avoid approaching girls. Bad wings can be distractions more than help. Your wingman must be committed to going out consistently and approaching, not just standing around talking shit.
And once you get comfortable with wingmen, start going out solo a bit too, until eventually you can solo any venue.
This resource is to be used responsibly to help you learn game. Do not abuse your new-gained powers for unethical or devilish dating activity. Reduce harm and manipulation as much as possible. Be ware that most of your wings will be deeply stuck in stage Orange and that mindset will rub off on you. This isn't exactly high-consciousness stuff, but it's better than being an Incel.
If you are starved for sex and feeling depressed and lonely about it, start learning game and going out consistently. Do not be inactive as the problem will not magically solve itself.

You are treated like you don't exist because you haven't developed game. You are being too meek and so the environment overpowers you. The solution is to develop a more powerful approach.
It is not too loud. I've been in some loud ass clubs. The solition there is to use lots of physical openers, physical game, very direct verbals, learn to project your voice more, and very powerful sexual eye contact. The louder it is the more you can caveman it. Literally grab girls by the arm and pull then into you. Some will bust but some will hook hard.
Your height is not the problem. You just lack the strong game necessary for loud clubs.
I def struggled with loud ass clubs.
The way I dealt with it is by forcing myself to approach girls and by making myself just comfortable and relaxed in the club. The club has a way of overpowering you. You have to train yourself to ignore all the noise and distractions. You have to put yourself into a relaxed meditative state and then do lots of direct physical openers.
A good way to start is by tapping her on the shoulder, smile, and if she gives you positive eye contact, grab her, pull her into you, and say something direct like, "I love you". Then eye-fuck her. Then plow with some verbals and lots of physical escalation. Then lead her to a quieter area to talk or lead her to dance on the dance floor. Or both.
I know plenty of short guys who do great at the loudest clubs, better than me. It's not the height, it's your lack of game. Most of my wings were shorter guys who killed at the clubs. But they had very good game.
It helps a lot to get some experienced wings and just watch them approach in such loud clubs. This will prove to you that it can be done.

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