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  2. Posted · Edited by traveler

    The fear of death comes when a resistance or "ego" interferes with a mystical experience. The ego comes in and says "if I go any further I'll die," but the ego was already dead untill it uttered those words. When the world reappears it let's out a sigh and says "that was close, I almost died."

    What is, is the glimpse. This is the big bang echoing. There is no death, only for the dream of being born.

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    24 minutes ago, Adamq8 said:

    The ultimate realization is that you are IT and not only "no self"

    No thought or idea is ultimate. What is ultimate/absolute must by definition be what is already, unknowable because it is every object in appearance. There can be no real seperation from all there is.

    All realizations are what is, but revealed in them is not more what is than what is. The belief that an ultimate truth will ever be realized or achieved is a sign of the dream, it is a belief that you are seperate and that you need answers to become whole or to find home. All there is already is home, and it is appearing as this. It never moves and is simultaneously ever changing.

    It is not bliss, it is this. Reaaaally disappointing for the seeker, haha. People really can't hear that enlightenment isn't about them, somewhere there is an expectation in every seeker that some end or final state of endless happiness will come and fireworks will go off and they'll know for sure that they've made it. 

    See how obvious it is that even you don't know what you are seeking, nothing you can come up with is satisfying forever, it is a dream based on false hope. 

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    4 hours ago, Nahm said:

    @traveler

    Express jealousy, crazy as it may sound. It brings alignment to desire, focus, and wanted, and it brings whatever’s ’off’ to the surface, into the light to be burned away. Open the flood gates, release it, Big Love is behind whatever it is, and emotions can be so counter intuitive. Always appreciating what you share btw, and wishing you the absolute best. ?? 

    Just went through the emotional scale thing and I just gotta say, wow.. Thank you so much. 

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    @Nahm

    Yea, I know there is something there and that it is so so subtle. Lately I've just been dealing with very heavy intense energy that seem to get more contracted with the message.

     

    6 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

    The message seems to transcend the idea of a someone liking or disliking anything.

    It leaves you empty handed without a leg to stand on. ❤

    This is what I'm talking about. What is "it" and who is the "you" that it leaves empty handed? To me that sentence seems directed towards an individual, not God/nothing (whatever you want to call it.) It could be read as being directed towards nothing/God but that is just not what I feel. (Please don't get stuck on the words here, like "directed towards." - Be honest.)

    5 hours ago, PureRogueQ said:

    Just like everything, without eyes there will be no sight, without tongue there will be no taste, should I gouge my eyes out? 

    I'm not sure what you mean.

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    I dislike that Tony Parsons, Jim Newman and the rest of the so called radical non dualists focuses on the individual even though it doesn't exist.

    The whole point in the message is that there is nothing here for the individual, but why all the talk about this non existent individual and what it does in it's illusory dream then? This seems to create more tension than it releases, it makes it seem like there is someone that needs to be gotten rid off when there isn't. 


    When I hear a message from nothingness directed towards me as nothingness it seems to resonate more. It is more direct, less descriptive and more energetic. It doesn't even recognise an individual, it is source talking directly to source with an absolute trust that source hears source. It doesn't need to explain how the individual doesn't exist and how this can't be understood and what not, it just knows that intuitively already.


    What I've also noticed with Jim and Tony is that I'm sort of conditioned to reject or not listen to other messages from so called "teachers", because "they" teach personal teachings. Many of the teachers they say teach personal teachings are in my estimation not personal teachings though. The personal pronouns they use aren't directed towards a person but to the underlying essence that is the mystery of all appearances. 

    Lil rant 

    Lemme hear ur thoughts

  12. Posted · Edited by traveler

    On 4.2.2021 at 7:34 PM, lmfao said:

    Does the crazy never go away?

    Yes it does. The crazy part is just a symptom of resistance, you can't stop it or do anything about it. Stop resisting resistance! But you can't, because you're resisting resitance by trying to stop resisting it. The "crazy" seeker experience is this loop trying to untangle itself from itself. The illusory self is the knot, the knot is trying to untangle the knot, the harder it tries the more entangled it gets in itself. Awakening is realizing that the knot is illusory, it is not actually there, so there is nothing that needs to be done for it to disappear. Trying to make it disappear gives it the illusion of something being there, that shouldn't. There is no answer on the other side of the illusion, there is no other side, this is it. It is not "known" what this is afterwards, that is the goal for "me" but that is what is ultimately so disappointing for it, because that goal is never fullfilled. Life is not known, life just is, TOTALLY unknowable. To the point where the concept of infinity has no more meaning than the word potatosalad. 

     

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    I guess a climactic happening in my life was when I crossed the point of no return. I didn't do it consciously, I wasn't in control. I just smoked a joint and died into infinity, my whole life was seen to be a dream of the infinite singularity/god, my human name and life was infinitely significant, it reverberated through eternity and I realized that everything in "my" life was perfectly designed and synchronized for me to have that realization then and there, and that my human life was Gods life. The point of no return is that you from this awakening no longer can believe the dream fully, you can get lost in what is happening but you can never believe in the commonly accepted human story anymore; that there is a real separate me with consciousness and matter outside of me.

    The juiciest insight that stuck with me is that this, what is happening right at this moment, is the infinite singularity/god/nothing appearing. These words are Gods words, there is no hierarchy, all is equally GOD.

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    They want to escape existence, to exist is to suffer. This all arises from the experience of being seperate from everything. A person arises and goes on a search to find that which is before and beyond itself, what it can not see is that what is before and beyond itself is arising as a person looking for it. There is no seperation, not even in seperation. 

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    3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

    Nope you're not going to trick me... you are already perfect.

    The dictator that judges whether something is a flaw or a strength is just the conditioned mind.

    A flaw to one person might be seen as a strength to another. They cancel each other out and equal 0. 

    Value meaning purpose truth flaw strength reason right wrong good bad

    All conditioned mind made concepts.... 

    Perfection is already the case whether anyone agrees with it or not.

    See Perfection doesn't require agreeance with it... it's just the case ❤

    Loosen up man, be vulnerable, go with the flow and stop analysing everything to see if it holds up to non dual dogma. 

  18. Posted · Edited by traveler

    1 hour ago, Forestluv said:

    Of course there is government corruption in the U.S. That is not the issue. At issue are claims of election fraud that have been debunked by Trump's own lawyer's, attorney general, justice department, judges, cyber security team, and republican state election officials. Corruption is when people act inappropriately in their own self interest.  The claims of widespread election fraud would require that Trump's own officials and conservatives conspired against their own party and self interest. 

    It would be like accusing a football team of cheating so that the other team would win. 

    Aren't those people only working under him while he is president? You could hate your boss and conspire with your colleagues to get him fired, it doesn't seem super implausible that many of Trumps own employees dislike him.

    1 hour ago, Forestluv said:

    This is conflating absolute with relative. Yes, every idea is equal in the sense that every idea is an idea. Just like every animal is an animal. Yet this does not mean that every animal is equal.

    Yea, I think we agree in many ways. The mishap I think is that you're already firmly placed in a fixed position (that there was no fraud) and I'm not, so recognizing that there might have been fraud is a total fairytale to you, where it for me is a possibility. I'm not just saying that it is a possibility because everything is possible, but from information I've gathered in my lifetime and watching alternative media I am open to this worldview being an actual thing.

    1 hour ago, Forestluv said:

    In my view some of your statements are binary and you are not seeing nuances. For example, you seem to be using a binary construct of governmental corruption. Binary constructs have value in some contexts. yet they are also very limiting. 

    Can you please give me an example of this? 

     

    1 hour ago, Forestluv said:

    If a football team is known for cheating, is it more likely that they cheat so they win or cheat so the other team wins? 

    If Chelsea beats Arsenal in a football game, how likely is it that Arsenal cheated so that Chelsea would win? Very unlikely. 

    If there was evidence that Chelsea cheated, how likely is it that Arsenal would hide this evidence so that Chelsea could remain the victor? Very unlikely. 

    These are not equivalent situations.

    If the people owning the clubs behind the scenes had whatever agenda, maybe for Arsenal to finish at 3rd place or for Arsenal to lose a game, do you think they would go tell the media that there was fraud behind the scenes? Do you think any of the people working at Arsenal would have this information other than the top people at the club, the players, the manager and owner? Do you think they would risk their own livelihood and have the possibility of getting humiliated on the news by coming out with these baseless claims without any evidence? Some would probably have the balls to do so and they would be humiliated by every Chelsea fan for doubting the fairness of the game, but most Arsenal fans would begin to be skeptical and some would listen to what these players risking everything had to say. 

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    2 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

    Being open-minded has degrees as does the object of open-mindedness.

    Consider these two situations:

    1. Being open-minded to the possibility that there are microscopic living organisms that we cannot see with the naked eye. 

    2. Being open-minded to the possibility that a three-headed lizard on the planet Xenon created the coronavirus to transform humans into bugs that he can eat.

    We can be open-minded to both, yet both scenarios are not equivalent. Which of the above would you entertain as plausible? Which of the above would you actually invest your time into considering? 

    Number 1. 

    The reason is that I haven't heard of, read about, thought of or seen pictures of any three headed lizard from planet Xenon creating the corona virus. The difference between the  two options you gave on a scale of probability is a lot bigger than the difference there is on the subject matter at hand. I have heard of, read about, thought of and seen pictures of corruption in the government of the USA. 

    8 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

    Any construct we create is colored by a beliefs and assumptions. You are falsely equating all belief systems and say "let's be open to any idea" as if every idea was equal.

    Every idea is equal from a higher POV. Many people mistake their belief system for absolute truth, this is the essence of so much hate and misunderstanding. I'm not saying that you shouldn't believe in something, if you stay aware that what you believe isn't absolutely true then you won't take yourself so seriously, you'll be able to listen and understand where other people are coming from. 

    17 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

    That is your assumption and portrayal onto me. I don't see government through rose-colored glasses. I can see that government has aspects of corruption. Yet you are seeing through a binary lens, not a nuanced multi-perspectival lens. Just because government has corruption does not lead to government being 100% corrupt. Government can have people that are non-corrupt, partially corrupt and extremely corrupt. Some governmental agencies could provide some value while other don't offer much value. 

    I completely agree. I think your assumption and portrayal onto me is that I'm a conspiracy nut that is seeing through a binary lens. 

    22 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

    Is it possible all of these people are conspiring against their own political party to hide widespread election fraud so that their own leader loses? Sure it's possible, yet it is extremely unlikely. 

    Extremely unlikely from a certain worldview and likely from another. 

    26 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

    You are going beyond simple open-mindedness. You are creating false equivalencies. You are saying we should be equally open-minded to the possibility that I am a potato and that I am a human. 

    You have evidence from direct experience that you are human or at least that there is a human body here and not a potato. All the knowledge you have about the election is second hand. 

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    1 hour ago, Forestluv said:

    Conspiracy theories always have nuggets of truth as a hook. They are manipulative stories as they twist words and context. And they use emotions. Whether it's BS theories of 9-11, JFK, election fraud or you being a pedo. Watch how it works. . . 

    There is evidence of you being a pedo. There was an administrator and moderator that said so. And you yourself suggested that there should be an investigation into whether you are a pedo. . . Notice how this "evidence" is thin and manipulated. Now imagine we can use this "evidence" on social media to convince millions of people that you are a pedo. All sorts of people come out of the woodwork adding allegations and "evidence". Of course it is all BS and would never stand up in a court of law because it is all heresay. Yet this will not count as "proof" for those "open-minded" to the theory that you are a pedo. There will be no convincing them. They will say the judges were corrupt and it wasn't a fair trial against you. They may say that you paid off the prosecuting attorneys. That is how conspiracy theories become more intricate.

    I see your point and it is a good point. But, being open minded is not a state of certainty, it is a state of unknowing, a much clearer view but also very unclear. So yea open minded people might still be open minded to the idea that I am, but they'll also be open minded that I'm not. From this POV it is much easier to see things without bias, because you're not attached to any outcome.

    You definitely have done your research but all of your findings are colored by your belief system, you have a deep trust in the system where other people from their research have good reason not to trust it. I'm not against you, I find it very interesting to hear your perspective on this. It is a much nicer perspective to have than that of the "conspiracy theorist."

    I just gotta say, the label "conspiracy theory" clouds many peoples ability to think for themselves, they instantly discard whatever is being presented just by reading that label. It is good to do your own research before agreeing to that label. Many "conspiracy theories" turned out to be true. 

    And btw. Someone saying you're something is not evidence that you are that. I can say that you are a potato, now there is evidence that you're a potato.

  22. Posted · Edited by traveler

    45 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

    Is it that you don't want your argument to be examined in its structure and reflected back to you?

    Leo examined my point and reflected back on me what he percieved it to be. Then I used his metaphor to let him know where he misunderstood my point. Then he makes the decision to ignore it completely and focus on a slightly defensive comment I made afterwards. This signals to me that he has no intention having a constructive conversation, but rather to shut me up with a gut-punch because he never can admit that someone has a good point or because he simply can't see it.

    45 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

    Can you see that it makes you invested to defend yourself against this kind of allegation?

    Yes and I can see the point about how this could compare to the election allegations, but there are other points that I've made where I've explained why it isn't the same form of allegation. One is empty  based on nothing, the other has evidence and "somewhat" credible people. Keep in mind that I'm not saying it was fraudulent, I'm merely saying keep an open mind.

    But I guess the left has a lot of trust in the media based on what I've gathered, so if the media says it's not fraudulent then that is the one and only truth.

    45 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

    Putting yourself in Leo's or Forestluv's shoes, how else would you elicit self-reflection from someone in your position?

    My statement didn't solidify my position on politics, I made a comment based from an onlookers perspective who isn't hypnotised by the world of right vs left. If you have a strong stance on either side, then everything challenging your perspective will be labelled "in opposition to me" in your mind. You can't actually hear what I'm saying while you're under the trance of the political circus.

     

  23. Posted · Edited by traveler

    15 minutes ago, iamme said:

    The point of spiritual mastery work (which is what this website is about) is to examine within why certain words or emotions are "triggering". A goal of spiritual mastery is equanimity. When you know who you are it's pretty impossible to be triggered, so work on that. Leo is pretty good at pointing where is work to be done :)

    That is not my point, it is the intention behind it that is slightly triggering to me, not the word itself. Everybody gets triggered, Leo does too and I actually think he was in this case because I insulted his baby (the forum) and called him a swear word (closed-minded). 

  24. Posted · Edited by traveler
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    2 hours ago, Loving Radiance said:

    Is being not welcome and being criticized the same?

    No.

    They try to prove me wrong by using my own example with an emotional trigger word. The thing is yes, be openminded that that is a possibility if someone (Trump and many others in the case of the election) who actually knows me makes that accusation. If not and it's just some conspiracy theorist that doesn't know me at all that have no real evidence to support that claim (Leo), then it's probably not true, then it's probably just some nutcase trying to stir up drama. This is where their logic stop making sense, they don't know me so their accusations are empty, but there are many people that know a lot more about the elections than we do that have said that it is fraudulent, that is why we need to have an openmind.

    They don't have a real argument against my point, that is why they resort to cheap manipulative tricks, using a trigger word with very negative connotations to trigger a defensive responds from me or to force me to change my stance or perspective. I'm not interested in having a childish fight over the Internet like that, that is why I'm pulling out of this if we are going to use these methods.