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  2. Posted

    4 minutes ago, arlin said:

    I get that, or i might get that trying to get somewhere else it's useless but i still want to experience things in life. I mean, i haven't actualized my life purpose, i want to be creative, to form meaningfull connections with others. I think most non dual teachers have already done it and then they can rest in peace and just say that trying to get somewhere else does not help the seeker. But this does not benefit me in any way because im just 21 years old and imagine how can it feel like when you have no free will yet, those desires arise within you and you feel like you can't acomplish anything in life because there is no you. 

    First of all what I am pointing to has no correlation with any beliefs you have about it. Don't take anything I say to be the truth or helpful in any way, I am pointing to the unknowable which can not be known. No free will is the case already, if you have free will why don't you just drop all of this non duality nonsense, forget about it and go live your life to the fullest without fear. See, you can't, because free will is just an illusion. This does not mean passivity, it doesn't lock you into a particular experience where you now have to be a certain way and give everything else up. This is what the non dual bullshitters on here and teachers are talking about, but there are absolutely no rules. This is not about anything, it is not about being good, it is not about being peaceful, it is not about being better than the average Joe that has no idea what the fuck non duality is, it is freeeeedom. I feel like the main motivation for many is how they will be special and better than those "ignorant normal folks", spirituality is merely about being better for most. This gives that need nothing, and it leaves you with nothing.

     

    19 minutes ago, arlin said:

    But we can't do anything about it. As i said, im alive so i might as well just live now. 

    Does seeking have to be negative? People have lived and have achieved happier lives. It's not that seeking is completely useless. Of course one can never be whole and truly complete in this life (it is but it's not recognized bla bla), but certaily people have suffered and recovered and got happier lives.

     

    Seeking is not negative, it is just what it is, everything is just what it is. Seeking is seeking, cup is cup, bla bla bla.

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    2 minutes ago, arlin said:

    @traveler In fact i don't care about embracing anything anymore.

    Im just tired of word games and concepts. I have had depersonalization and used to obsess over those things which made my sense of reality more thickle and slippery. Feeling i have no free will sucks and ruins your whole life.

    You talked to me like jim newman or some non dualist aggressive teacher so i know what you mean by embrace not knowing. It is impossible to find the answer yet we are trapped in a constant stream of never ending seeking. Even leo can't stop seeking because he is still in the dream believing he is achieving something serious. what a fuck...

    Well i guess im alive so only choice is to start living now. 

    @arlin

    I know you are tired of it, I've been there. I have to tell a story to get across to you so here it goes. I did not achieve anything, I searched and searched and searched I listened to thousands of non dual talks but got absolutely nowhere. The frustration and seeking fatigue can suddenly lead to a total surrender to the hopelessness of seeking. Then there is just what is without any attempt to grasp it in any way, a full stop in trying to get somewhere else. What is left is not a state of absolute knowing and omniscience, what is left is what already is without the seeking energy of trying to change anything. What is longed for is not a state, that is what the seeker longs for because it is in it's own dissatisfying dream of this not being it, what is left is what is truly longed for: this without need of being anything other than what it is. I am not an authority, I did not achieve anything, there is truly no one here, all there is, is this absolutely meaningless but astonishing ordinariness and wonder. The wonder can not be known, it is already, but the seeker will never get it because it believes it knows what this is already and that it merely is a barrier that needs to be overcome.

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    30 minutes ago, arlin said:

    Yeah and it's god and love as you said.

    You can call it whatever you want but it is not the words. The words are pointers. The person lives in the psychic world of pointers. It is like saying that a cup is actually the appearance of the cup, it isn't. The actual appearance of the cup is unknowable, it is just what it is, we can call it an elephant, a windmill, a turd, nothing actually touches the actuality of the cup because there is no actual separation in which it is solid and real and is bound to anything, everything is just what it is.

    30 minutes ago, arlin said:

    Yes but you said that when you die it is realized that there is nothing to realize. Who has that realization?

    It is not realized by anyone. There is nothing to realize because there is not two, already. Now you'll try to realize that.

     

    30 minutes ago, arlin said:

    You are talking like living is useless and invalidating every human being on earth.

    No, I'm just describing what seems to happen in the dream. What I'm pointing to is simple, there is no one here trying to convince you of anything. It can not be gotten, because trying to get it, is in the way. 

  7. Posted

    2 hours ago, arlin said:

    "It is realized" by who??

    Are you talking about death?

    There is nothing I say that will help. In the dream of two there is a constant attempt to solidify the experience, to make it real. The struggle/suffering is the grasping to know something when in reality there is nothing. Nothing is not an empty void of blackness, nothing is incomprehensible, it is this already. Nothing is infinite, it does not look a particular way. When nothing arises as an illusory experience of being separate it brings about suffering, because suddenly there is a real person here that feels like it is missing something, it is actually missing nothing.

    The "real" person thinks that it has to somehow get rid of this appearance and reach another better appearance/state to get fulfilled. It can not realize that there is nothing that needs to change for this to be what it already is. It feels like something needs to change, but that movement/feeling is what it is, it IS what the wrongness of the appearance. There is nothing wrong at all, there is no end goal, the person is in search of the actuality of some concept called unconditional Love, not being able to see that it already is all there is.

    This is not about death or life, it is not about anything. It is unconditional love appearing as whatever is appearing. There is nothing outside of this appearance, this does not need to be understood, it already is.

     

  8. Posted · Edited by traveler

    54 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

    Creativity that comes from what? I saw that my substance is the nothingness, so I'm nothing, you are nothing, but you are concious that you are nothing...how?

     

    There is no one here that knows this, nothing is not a thing owned and known by someone. There is nothing to realize, when the excessive attempts to realize this, stops happening, then it is realized that there is nothing to realize.

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    4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

    I saw that in my non ego experience, the infinite void. But it's a problem with your thesis: the illusion is not "nothing", is something. Even a thought or a dream are something...so, from where the dream that we are comes? From the nothingness? So the nothingness is dreaming...a nothingness do nothing

    It does not come from anywhere, it is nothingness appearing as that. When we talk about the experience of the dream we need to tell stories, because the dream is not actually happening. This appearance, this exact appearance (but not exclusively this appearance) is nothingness. It is not nothingness becoming the appearance, that would create a distance between the appearance and nothingness. It is just fresh, totally unique, never recyclable pure creativity. This can not be recognized by the dreamer though, because in the dream this is known as something tangible and real. The dream is pure creativity appearing as boring known dead stuff, the dreamer is boundlessness appearing bound.

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    Have had sinus problems for many years, so yeah I've definitely experienced that. Don't attach any meaning to it though, it doesn't mean anything. Let it come and go, take care of yourself and don't force meditation it's not as important as everyone says, ssssh don't tell the others I said that... sitting in quiet does not need to be labelled meditation, "meditation" makes it seem like it is a task or a chore, sitting on a chair in silence does not need effort.

    There are some "don't's" here, it is ofc merely a suggestion.

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    The spirituality many people speak of on this forum is a fairytale. People preach about awakening and non duality without the slightest idea of what it actually points too. There is no plane or state that you enter when you awaken. Awakening is awakening to the reality that there is no planes or states, all of that is a dream. There is nothing, there never was something. This is an explosion of utter emptiness beyond comprehension, an emptiness that engulfs the whole of existence. There is no place to go, there is no place to escape, this is all there is, LITERALLY. ALL THERE IS. All there is, is infinite, it has no outside, you can not measure it. The birth of the "I" is destined for disaster, it will look endlessly for something, but all it will ever find is the shaddow of nothing. This is terrible news for you ? 

    These words are the absolute, the one speaking. 

     

  12. Posted

    5 minutes ago, James123 said:

    Birth, enlightenment, states, seeker, seeing, mind, human, god, consciousness these are just thoughts that you have learned.

    Yes, nothing can touch this isness, no words come close, some words seem to point more directly than others though. It doesn't actually matter at all, it is just what is happening. And there is nothing inherently wrong with thoughts.

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    There is no need to know what a cup is, a cup is the appearance of a cup which we label cup. There is in reality no need to grasp anything, everything already is what it is and it can not be known as a solid thing, because it is not a solid thing. There is no separation between a cup and the seeing of a cup, everything is differentiated one/not two/unknowable isness. The individual separates everything by being real in it's own dream.

     

     

     

  14. Posted

    3 minutes ago, James123 said:

    There is no reality or perception. All exist is nothing, and nothing can never be exist. Because of that it is nothing, there absolute. Infinite nothingness. Now.

    It is not a spiritual state though, it is/can appear more ordinary than a seeker thinks, it can appear as anything. All there is, is what is apparently happening, if there is an individual in that, then it will seem real, and from there seeking for escape and liberation arises.

  16. Posted

    Yes!

    The divine joke is looking for what already is. There is no individual with free will and choice that could achieve a state called non duality, it is suggested that non duality points this indescribable isness, hence "non duality/not two". The individual was never separate from not two, it was just not two appearing as "yea definitely two."

    The adventure of unconditional love in freefall, and there is no consequences because it is not happening to anyone, it is just apparently unfolding for no reason at all. Every attempt to grasp it creates a distance to it and is the birth of "yea definitely two"/"me here, got to get that over there." 

     

     

     

  18. Posted

    Enlightenment is merely a myth to the distraught seeker. The myth keeps hope alive and hope is fodder for the seeker. The seeker is on a journey in time, it is a denial of all there is, it lives in a dream of what has been and what is to come. It doesn't know what this is, but it hides that by living in it's stories. There is simply what is happening, what is happening is always what is longed for, appearing as change, appearing as words, as sitting on a chair, drinking soda, watching tv, looking for enlightenment, being hopeful or hopeless. Looking for enlightenment or some sort of escape is giving what is happening a reality that it does not have, it is dissatisfying. Freedom is poverty, the loss of the need for specialness, for betterment, it is the total release of the need to change what already is all there is. 

  24. Posted

    Yeah, breathing is great. You know the feeling when you get a good deep breath into your stomach and you get a small orgasmic feeling of warmth and peace in your whole body? Try to relax your pelvic area, especially your anus, it helps with breathing more relaxed and deeply. I once realised how much tension I had in this area, don't know if it was a subconscious fear of farting in public or something, but relaxing this area has many positive effects. 

  25. Posted · Edited by traveler

    The "me" trying to escape is fiction, it is all there is dancing that dance. The spear in the heart is what "me" is, it is not what is happening to "me", "me" is the resistance to what is. 

    The me does not and can not recognise that this is full and needless, because "me" is an energy of lack. The story /dream is about going from unwhole to whole, notice that it hasn't happened yet, even with all of your efforts. You want to get rid of yourself, but you want to know when you are not there anymore. 

    Awakening is more like a checkmate than it is a realisation. When you are tired enough, when you are at the end of the road and totally fatigued from seeking a little *pop* can happen. Nothing is actually revealed, it is just that "you" the resistance to what is, is no longer. No final answer, no dinnerparty with God or a celebration with all of your idol guru's who have made it aswell, no, all of that was a dream aswell.