RendHeaven

I don't give a shit about this topic, I'm not even commenting with any of this in mind - But I just feel compelled to point out that "going by data" IS a personal bias. Contemplate this seriously. If you'd like me to say more, lmk and I'd be glad to. If you dismiss this, you're the one losing potential growth.

Unironically based. Nailed it bro you pulled out a fucking graph ???

LOL the irony

@Yali

You have a cute face ? I fiercely want to give you a fresh cut though. One of my favorite emotions ? Don't sleep on it!

I understand this so well. I suspect ALL egos encounter this sort of haunting loneliness out of self-neglect, it's just that the neglect runs so deep that most of us don't even realize that this is happening. Some of us are just fortunate enough to be forced to drop the self-neglect by painful circumstance. It's a fundamentally inexpressible experience, to realize you've been turned away from yourself this whole time, and to finally reorient. The catharsis of realizing that I'm allowed to direct love at... myself!! Oh man! Unlocking this valve is like hacking life. It makes any previous external validation/affirmation/love-seeking goal look so silly (and yet you have perfect compassion for these past behaviors as well). It seems that this experience is inexpressible because talking about it to "others" subtly shifts you off-orientation once again, from Whole Singularity to fragmented duality. Though you could argue from a nondual standpoint that there is no distinction between sound and silence, I find for myself (at least for now) that Self-Love is dozens, if not hundreds of times stronger when it is allowed to be implicitly (as opposed to explicitly). Self-Love is a non-flashy phenomenon. From the outside it looks like nothing. As you actualize Self-Love, nobody will really "get" what's happening to you, even if they catch a whiff of it intuitively. This makes us all the more lonely in a fleshly sense. But paradoxically this is the most Whole and Fulfilled we will ever be. To be so lonely to the point that we're infinitely connected, together, and happy. Such a Noble, Intelligent, and Beautiful endgame.

Yeah you can really feel this energy when you go to one of their events. There's a sort of collective implicit idol worship that just feels so greasy. The way Owen gets you to eagerly and enthusiastically throw money at him as though it was your idea and free will (hah) is pitiful.

go out and find out

I used to be a competitive sprinter, but those are bygone days. Some part of me still resonates more with the explosive short distances, but recently all I do is long distance work. It's like an extended meditation - the joy and suffering are both slow burning, but its sure as hell fulfilling

I've quietly had this very intuition for about an year now, but I've never seen it spelled out so bluntly. Thanks for this. Unequivocally based. Esp the part about the superiority of social skills, and the fact that desiring bulk is sheer social-matrix-hypnosis.

Oh that explains me~

@SonataAllegro Lol my dad wanted me to go to IU, but luckily I didn't. @soos_mite_ah Bravo~

I'll be travelling to Manhattan Wed 10/6 - Sun 10/10 PM me if hanging & bonding over actualized.org sounds exciting

Yes

Untrue. "We are humans" is assumed by natural philosophers and scientists prior to the discoveries and assertions of philosophy and science itself.

Rarely the case, unfortunately.

At face value this critique made sense to me, but then I thought, well all things torn down had to be built up first. So as such, there is no conflict. You can't even set a guy on the saint's path (tearing down) before he has a "normal life" (building up). Otherwise, you just get spiritual bypassing....

I communicate Love by embodying and teaching Acceptance.

With regards to dating + relationships, or reality at large?

I don't see this at all. Leo is far more integrated than whatever credit you give him. Of course his advice to struggling men will be within the confines of the status quo social game. You can't expect struggling men to "rise above" a crooked system while they're starved and hungry. Leo's advice is tailored. Don't equate him to his advice. We would see different advice from Leo if he were to answer the questions of a non-starving and fulfilled man. Unfortunately, we just never see this happening because fulfilled men don't come crawling onto online forums for help.

@Raphael It's a stunning video. Highly recommend. @soos_mite_ah They're lonely and reaching out, not so different from you and I.

I'm not a lady, but I'm relating strongly to a lot of the responses so far, so I'll add my story to the soup too, as encouragement. Currently, I have 2 guys that I'd consider very close friends. They are on their respective spiritual journeys and are startlingly mature for their age (20ish). I have a couple dozen more people that I hang out with regularly and bond with, but there's a sense that they will "never understand me" because they're not serious about contemplation and introspection the way I am. I often dumb myself down to vibe with these people. Aside from that, I loosely consider anybody that I interact with a "friend." I had an amazing 40 minute conversation with my uber drive today. Even though I'll never see him again, he felt like a "friend." At the end of the day though, I understand that even my 2 closest dudes are temporary. Furthermore, I only hold them in high regard insofar as they serve my egoic survival agenda (acceptance, being listened to and understood, they provide massive value to me through their presence, energy, and insights, etc.) Truly, they are not any more special than someone I feel unable to befriend. Being friends with all of humanity is my ultimate ideal, but fundamentally I'll always be alone, as are we all.

this paradox/strange loop is "a feature not a bug" (as leo would say) It's hard to explain how what you wrote is perfect to someone who insists that it can only be either/or

Right, so this is why I prefaced the statement with "past a certain point..." There are many useful distinctions early on that melt away the more Realized you become. Maybe she was suggesting with her answer that she was past the point of making "wokeness" distinctions.

You know that's not true