Leo Gura

No, it's a lot deeper than recreation. Everything is a preference. Even enlightenment is a preference. There's no imperative to be enlightened. You're basically doing it for shit and giggles. Out of all the ways you could utilize your time, psychedelics are one of the best (relatively speaking). And they produce lots of growth. Enlightenment is not the only game in town. There's also psychological growth, emotional maturity, shadow work, etc.

@Salih Tugsal Cool, thanks for sharing!

This is far too flippant and dismissive. It's easy for Sadhguru to be dismissive because he's already massively enlightened. But normal folk aren't even close. So for them, psychedelics can be life-changing. It's easy for Arnold Schwarzenegger to say that benching 50 lbs is a waste of time. Because he can bench 700 lbs. But are you anywhere near his level? 95% of Sadhguru's students have no idea what enlightenment is, and will never even come close to tasting it in their lifetime, I would bet. How many and what kinds of psychedelics has Sadhguru done? It is helpful. I just said it isn't a reliable way to rewire the brain. I have no idea what the future holds. But I see no reason to quit psychedelics on principle. Even if they don't produce a permanent enlightenment, they are still highly worthwhile and fascinating to explore. Not everything has to be purely utilitarian. You can do psychedelics just because you enjoy exploring different dimensions of consciousness, in the same way that people like to go hiking or traveling to other countries. It's better to spend 8 hours on LSD than 8 hours watching TV or 8 hours working in a cubicle.

@Spinoza You simply misread my blog post. Jordan Peterson is a moralist. He believes in morality, value, and meaning. And what I was saying in the blog post was those things are inventions. Absolute Being does not have meaning or value. There's no contradiction. My wording in the blog post was just ambiguous to you, especially since you didn't watch the actual debate. Peterson is wrong because he believes evil exists. Or at least that's what it sounds like he believes, to me.

It will be very difficult to use psychedelics alone to produce enlightenment. It just won't work for most people I think because the effects tend to be temporary. Yoga is the more reliable method. With psychedelics as booster shots along the way. The issue is that the brain needs to be permanently rewired, and psychedelics will generally not do that. Yoga produces permanent rewiring. I've had amazing insights on 5-MeO-DMT. But a permanent enlightenment has proven elusive. The ego-mind returns.

Don't confuse mystics with con-artists. Those are two separate things. Con-artistry is certainly a thing.

I didn't say that. Visualizing can be very powerful. What I meant was that your human visualization will be limited. Not as powerful or direct as God's visualization ability, so to speak. Since your intelligence is limited. At very higher levels of consciousness you may be able to tap into some divine-like powers. Sages and saints have been known to exhibit miracles and so forth. That may be more than fairy tales. But you'd have to be very conscious or gifted for that sort of thing. God's visualization ability actually creates matter and physical reality. I don't know if humans can do that. God has infinite visualization ability and is able to creating anything it wants through raw intelligence. It is all-powerful and unlimited.

You can buy San Pedro cactus chunks on eBay. Or even find these cacti at your local Walmart or Home Depot. Thousands of people grow shrooms at home.

Not as an egoic human being. I was talking about God.

God is a disincarnate formless intelligence which thinks reality into being through its infinite intelligence. You, as God, literally thought yourself into existence. How is that possible? Because you have infinite power and no restrictions other than those you imagine. It's a hell of a thing to realize. I haven't talked about what intelligence is yet. I will in the future. Intelligence is not what you think it is.

@herghly I have not. What's I love about Kriya is that it's supposed to be a private practice not done in groups. You can always rent a motel room for a week and do your Kriya.

You are a philosophical zombie right now. You just think you're not. There is no one inside you "experiencing" anything. Ego has misappropriated Absolute Being, claiming Being for its personal experience. Qualia is actually Absolute Being. There is no one who experiences qualia. There never was. That's a trick the ego is playing on you.

@MarkusSweden It's not really possible to get without some altered state of consciousness. The ego-mind is too powerful to let you see it. It's got a lock on your notion of reality. Requires either a very still mind, like a perfectly calm pond, or psychedelics.

@who chit Sounds like a solid practice. Breath of Fire should really spike it up if you want. I guess it's really similar to Yoni Mudra.

That's the whole trick, existence is nothing! So it's not a quality. But it exists, as nothing. There is no alternative to existence.

@who chit And fear comes from the ego-mind. The less conscious one is, the more fear one has.

@Stefano Provenzi I have not delved into it at all. There are hundreds of different yogas and I would need 10 lifetimes to study them all.

@now is forever There is still a problem with calling something "deconstructive" because there is an implicit assumption that deconstruction is bad. And whether something is decontructive depends on your self-agenda. Hitler's Holocaust was constructive from his POV. And the meteor wiping out the dinosaurs was constructive for many species, but destructive to the dinosaurs. When you judge whether something is destructive, you are effectively saying, "That is destructive TO ME and the status quo that helps my survival." There is no such thing as Absolute construction or destruction. The death of one universe gives rise to another.

Yes, I've since had even more powerful trips, and I've even found a more powerful psychedelic than 5-MeO-DMT.

Only on the weekend

Yoga rewires your nervous system. So you don't have to willpower your way to enlightenment.

You are overlooking a very important point: that "you" is an illusion. After enlightenment, you're not identified with being human any more. Your identification shifted to Nothingness and therefore Everything. So there is nothing to improve because you are the whole universe in all its possible forms. How can you improve infinity? Infinity includes every possible state. So there's nowhere to run. Moreover, the concept of "improvement" only makes sense if you assume time exists. And at higher levels of consciousness, it doesn't. You become so present to the NOW that you cannot even conceptualize a future in which something could be better or worse. And of course the concepts "better" and "worse" are just judgments of the ego-mind to begin with.

I think they stole most of the idea from the novel, Neuromancer. Neuromancer explicitly has a "the Matrix" in it. From Wikipedia:

Lol Man, you really love your judgments, don't ya?

The following analogy might help you guys. Survival is like living life inside The Matrix. Truth/Enlightenment is like escaping The Matrix and realizing it's all a virtual simulation. Then, once you've exited The Matrix, you can re-enter it, but this time you're aware that you're inside a virtual simulation. You still have to survive if you want to stay in The Matrix, but your survival is different than ordinary survival. Ordinary survival isn't self-aware, whereas now you are surviving in a self-aware manner, and you can even bend some of the rules of The Matrix, stopping time, dodging bullets, etc. But if one of those bullets hits you in the head, you're still gonna die. At least your avatar will. Can you see how a question like, "How do we fight terrorism?" is a distraction from breaking free of The Matrix? Terrorism is part of the virtual simulation. If you get too wrapped up and angry about terrorism, you're losing sight of the bigger picture, which is that EVERYTHING you see is just a video game. You're getting lost in the video game world. You're confusing the video game world for Truth. Nothing is good or bad, because it's all just a video game. Imagine if Mario, from Super Mario World, started to take his life seriously. That would be a problem. He would be too afraid of jumping on a platform, cause for him it would be life and death. He would think he only has 1 life. He would become angry and bitter at all these evil spikey dangerous turtles walking around. He would become blind to the fact that he and the turtles are actually all part of one unified simulation. And so the whole game would turn into a nightmare. All just because he takes himself too seriously. Mario would start a political talk radio show where he rants against spikey turtles for corrupting the fabric of Mario World. He would call for a border wall to block the spikey turtles from entering Mario World. He would recruit other inhabitants of Mario World which align with his self-agenda to bolster his cause. The turtles would do the same. The two sides would demonize each other. And then you'd have an all-out battle between the two. Neither side realizing that it's all just a virtual simulation.