Leo Gura

Oh, that's definitely true. The people doing the deepest work are not here talking. Feel free to write Don Beck an email about that

The illusion is not always so great. It's fun for a while but you don't want to be stuck in it forever. If God didn't leave a breadcrumb trail you would be here asking: "Why is God so evil to lock me forever in this illusion of suffering?" The breadcrumb trail is so subtle that 99% of people won't follow it. To follow it requires a serious desire. So it's actually a pretty clever design. It satisfies both kinds of people: those you want to escape and those who don't.

"abused the Truth" is a relative notion. If he is happy with his action then good for him. But we gotta deal with the fallout which requires telling people that our teachings have never been about physical harm to the body. Which is true.

Fair point. Thanks for the feedback. I will take it under consideration. Being more accommodating to the female perspective is something I've been trying to do more of. It takes unwiring some old habits. That has many issues. If this forum continues for years, we will definitely have more suicidal people joining and there is always a possibility of someone following thru on it. There is no way I can prevent that. There are 40,000 suicides every year in the USA alone. If I am going to be personally held responsible for every suicide that someone who sees one of my videos commits, then basically there cannot be a forum, or a comment section, or videos. Holding me personally responsible for the suicide of a person I have never talked to is an absurd standard which you would never hold any serious professional to. And you would feel outraged if anyone held you to such standard. That is the nature of teaching and communication. I could make the same counter-argument to those who deny Love as Absolute. I could say, "You are just being dogmatic and one day you may change your mind." There are always going to be some things within a body of teaching which are core to the teaching we the teacher will refuse to compromise on. This is true of any teacher or teaching. If you go to a Zen master and say, "But what if the Buddha wasn't enlightened? What if you are deluded?" The Zen master will laugh at you and kick you out of his zendo. Because if you truly feel the Buddha wasn't enlightened, you have no business being in a Zen classroom. You should go do more productive thing. Endlessly arguing about spiritual topics is extremely counter-productive to spiritual work. Which is why we cannot have endless in-fighting and debate here. The problem is one of distraction. I want you doing the work, not arguing about Love. Love to me is absolutely fundamental to this work. If you believe I'm deluded, fine, but then why are you here? Go follow someone who isn't deluded according to your logic. I will not compromise on Love. You can torture me and I will still tell you that Love is Absolute Truth. If you think that's closedminded and delusional, well, I cannot help you. You actually misunderstand what openmindedness means in this case. That's fine. I'm happy to have discussions about political stuff and SD. I'm not concerned much about disagreements there. I'm more concerned about constant debates about core spiritual truths which do not progress a seek in any meaningful way. Do not debate Love. Go become conscious of it. Or don't. The reason for seeking to minimize debate is not for the sake my ego. The point is to create an environment in which people's reptilian brains are not constantly triggered into ideological battle. These ideological battles make spiritual work impossible. I don't like debate because it is extremely unproductive. And then we have to waste a lot of time moderating it.

No, because I am still in the rough stages of researching that. Nothing solid to report yet.

@Preety_India Please hold back from getting into intense debates over such things. I know your heart is in the right place. You want to defend Actualized.org. But keep in mind that actively confronting someone like Adeptus who has strong views via the comment section will tend to pour fuel on the fire.

Well, actually, I'm experimenting with imagination techniques with the hopes of finding some good ones. You also have to keep in mind that my work is always unfolding and new stuff is being researched. People have this desire to "be done" with it all, and they then tend to treat my teachings as such too. Whereas I treat the whole thing as a very long exploration and journey. But people love to bash the spiritual journey and just say, "Be done and stop seeking, if you're still seeking then you are doing it wrong." This is ridiculous position to take because I'm not in the business of merely reaching enlightened ASAP. I'm in the business of exploring new ways of doing spirituality. A lot of people just don't understand this idea of pioneering something new. They like to dismiss it as ego.

Thanks for your feedback and support.

You talk a big talk, but the fact remains you are stuck in your imaginings and powerless to change them much. You can't even grow a sixth finger. Let alone unimagine the limits of your body. I released a video last month called "Is Actualized.org A Cult?" in which I told people clearly: "Commit to never harming your body. Ego death is not physical death." Maybe go watch that video. It is pointless for me to make more videos when people don't watch the old ones which clearly explain all these things. You think I'm some fool who has never considered that somebody might twist my teachings into some evil and stupidity? I have issued all kinds of warnings for years. This is not some recent development. All of this was foreseen years ago. I told you many times that people would look for ways to corrupt my teachings. Here we are. The fundamental problem here is that I teach truthful things every directly. And people just don't handle it well. They take it personally. As egos love to do. I have worked hard to stay authentic to my style of direct and blunt teachers because that is what my heart is into. I do not like beating around the bush with people and withholding things.

I should clarify. I am not dismissive of manual practices to the point of saying they shouldn't be done. I would say I'm just more realistic about them. Having attended plenty of meditation treats and others places which stressed manual practices, what I saw was many, many people who were basically clueless in their levels of consciousness. And these were not newbies. These were serious meditators with 10+ years of experience. So after seeing that, I realized that this whole meditation and self-inquiry thing is a racket. It's designed to lure people in with sweet promises and then not delivering them. The objective facts are on my side. If meditation and self-inquiry are so effective as you believe, then why are 98% of meditators not awake? Why don't know what God is? Why can't they say what Love is? Why don't they understand what Infinity is? Why can't they answer basic metaphysical questions about reality and consciousness? The answer is simple: meditation can work, but it rarely gets you that high unless you are ridiculously good at it and you do it as a full-time job. Again, to be crystal clear: manual practices are very important! But they are really mostly suitable for hardcore practioners. And still, you will not become as conscious as you could with psychedelics, unless maybe you are a genetic spiritual freak. I am tired of spiritual teachings which leave most people clueless and in the dark and struggling with decades of sitting on the cushion. Those teachings already exist, they are ridiculously ineffective, and I have no desire to recreate another such teaching. If that's what you want, go have it. Why do you need Actualized.org to rehash it for you? Go do Vipassana. See how far you get. The typical person won't get far. Hence I de-emphasize that stuff. The world needs a new way of doing spirituality which is more direct, more effective. My job is to research and share that way. Maybe you think I'm deluded for attempting that, but even if I fail, to me it was a worthwhile goal. And I have already discovered many amazing ways to speed things up. If only people are willing to listen and practice.

Yes, they are imagined. But you are stuck and limited by that imagination and you have very little power to unimagine it. I plan to release a video addressing this incident. It does amuse me that you guys need a video from me to tell you why not jump off a bridge. How about the video: Why you shouldn't stick your dick in a woodchipper? I think some of you guys need it. I wouldn't a PR nightmare next month when your mom tells me that you lost your dick in a spiritual woodchipper ritual. Clearing misconceptions is exactly my goal. But any time I try to clear a misconception it will be framed as drama, defensiveness, ego, etc. It's just all the classic smear-merchant stuff. None of this is new. This how politics works. When someone is a threat to you, you smear them. Oldest ego trick in the book. Your ass has been on the chopping block for a long time. Don't think I haven't been watching you, sneaky devil.

They will become emptiness. Emptiness is what things are before you imagine they are different. Emptiness is pure consciousness of course. It's like white light polarized by a prism into different colors.

It's literally EVERYTHING. Every possible thing that could ever be imagined. Imagine a green flamingo with a dildo strapped to his head and two ass holes on ice skates. It's that. And everything else you could ever imagine.

@BlackMaze If you got a massive ego which is horrified by God, then you will have a backlash. God is not an easy thing to stomach. But assuming you dissolve much of that ego, then God is the most beautiful and enjoyable thing. It's like magic. Life is totally meaningless, but you can enjoy it regardless. Seeking God is for people who appreciate understanding the Truth of what the Universe is. If you really loved the Universe, you would want to understand what it is and why it is.

Yes, if you mean the biographical self (ego). Once you realize that then you can realize The Self as the whole Universe rather than a human self.

The building blocks of reality are not atoms, they are differences. It is not that differences aren't experienced, obviously they are. It's that these differences are imaginary and change at any time. What is salt? Salt is literally the difference you imagine between it and pepper, and every other thing in the universe. But if you realize those differences at all imaginary, there will literally stop being a difference between salt and pepper. Salt and pepper will become one thing. Your mistake, as it turns out, was to assume that salt and pepper are distinct rigid material objects.

Good! I'm happy to clarify all these genuine questions! I fundamentally disagree with this characterization of my work and rhetoric. There is nothing religious or dogmatic about what I teach. Just the opposite. In that video, both people were speaking from ego, neither person was even remotely close to having a deep grasp of spirituality, and they deep and fundamentally mischaracterized my work, Spiral Dynamics, levels and facets of awakening, and so many other points that it's hard to list all the ignorance in that video. That video is precisely ignorance which misleads people. Nothing on this forum is about a competition for who is more awake. This is completely antithetical to my teachings. Nobody here is in competition for being most woke or most spiritual or most Spirally developed. All that is pure projection and strawmanning. I talk about higher and higher levels of awakening only for one simple reason: That's precisely my experience of the spiritual path. And any serious spiritual seeker will relate. It has nothing to do with ego or wanting to escape the present moment. The things said in that video are so fallacious and slanderous that I would be laughing had it no influence on a gullible audience. I'm honestly baffled how Adeptus can do so much psychedelics -- and run an entire psychedelic channel -- yet be so clueless about spiritual work and what the psychedelic experiences mean. Yes, good. You are right. I do dismiss manual practices for several valid reasons which I have explained in the past: 1) Most people will not be successful with them. The factual evidence of this is very clear. Almost no meditators are deeply awake or even have a clue what God or Truth is. 2) Most people are not motivated enough to do them. And part of my job is motivation. 3) Even those people who do years of manual practice will almost certainly not reach the levels of consciousness that I speak of. This is also borne out by factual evidence and real-world experience talking to meditators. 4) For meditation to be effective is requires 100s of continuous practice. This is very hardcore and most people don't have the time for that. 5) There are some people who can meditate with little effort and get huge results quickly. Such people are rare and spiritually gifted without even realizing it. These are actually profoundly important points for any newbie spiritual seeker to understand. And finally, I still believe manual practices are important and even necessary. But for them to be effective people first need to be exposed to mystical experiences, otherwise there will be no motivation or even an idea of what meditation is for. Well, there are no clear lines. That's the challenge we're now in. I am going to be lenient and try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I am very mindful of not just banned anyone I disagree with for personal reasons. And I am mindful of the problem of creating a echo-chamber. That's not what I'm aiming for. I do not want a bunch of yes-men here kissing my ass. But we must have some fundamental alignment or fit. Some people here are obviously very out of alignment to the point that I don't even know why they want to be here. No problem. Newbies and intermediates fully welcome. You don't have to believe anything I say. Explore the spiritual terrain for yourself and discover what's true. That's the beauty of this work. The truth does not depend on Leo at all. All I'm doing talking about things you could one day become conscious of if you work at it. A banned account does not get unbanned. I don't know what disagreements you are referring to. The future of the forum is unknown and being figured out right here. Of course it's important. Much of the stuff I teach is grounding work. I am all for doing the basics. In that case I meant it in the most Absolute and final and radical sense. In other words, literally, nothing would remain. No, you're not still here at that point. Mahasamadhi does not mean you're still here. No material experience at all would continue. It's effectively death, for real. You don't cease to exist, you become an infinitely conscious singularity. WARNING: I do not recommend Mahasamadhi for any of you. It is to radical and you will kill yourself if you go down that road. And I don't mean merely ego-death. Mahasamadhi is not something anyone here should be thinking about. And it's also not what I teach. I spoke of it in that episode simply because I got close to it personally and I wanted to share it as a cautionary tale with you. It was not a pleasant experience for me to get that close. I have explained Love a lot in my videos: What Is Love - Part 1 & 2, and elsewhere. Watch those again. Love is not merely understanding. Love is all the physical such that exists. Love is also the realization that there is not difference whatsoever between anything. When you realize that there is literally no difference between an orgasm and cancer, you will realize what Love is. Amen. That's exactly what I love: substance. Some of that is outlined in the Forum Guidelines. But I would have to think about it some more in light of recent events. I might draft up a list in the future and post it for you guys so we are on the same page. That's a delicate balancing act. I want to avoid that. Consider the possibilities that these are not fallacies but actually high consciousness. If you become conscious enough, you will literally be so conscious that you won't see any difference between licking ice cream and licking a hot stove. These radical levels of consciousness are obviously dangerous, and I have warned people about it in the past in my discussions of psychedelic dangers. How do you supposed a Tibetan monk does self-immolation? He literally is so conscious that he cannot tell the difference between setting himself on fire vs otherwise. The difference between pleasure and pain is ultimately imaginary. This very much fucks with your survival. You see? After you deconstruct pain, you have to be careful and wise not to do something stupid like stick your hand in woodchipper, because pain and fear won't be holding you back any more. Yes, but you're overlooking the obvious: it's true. It is true that harming the body does not matter after a certain level of consciousness is reached. This is nothing new that I invented. This is part of age-old mystical teachings. Yogis train to sleep on a bed of nails. That's what strong determination sitting is about. Those sits are not good for the body, but the meditator does not care. Just because SoonHei decided to jump off a bridge in a tragic way does not in any way change what is true about pain and consciousness. He simply abused that truth. Truth itself makes no prescriptions. How you use the truth requires intelligence, wisdom, responsibility, and consciousness. The truth is that there is no reason to not jump off a bridge. You are free to do whatever you want. If you want to jump off a bridge, no one can stop you and even your own mind may not stop you. The reality is that most people don't jump off bridges because they fear death and because they enjoy life. As soon as you stop fearing life and stop enjoying life, you will probably jump off a bridge. So I recommend you enjoy life more. If you really love life, you will stick around to enjoy it. And if you don't, no force on Earth will stop you from killing yourself. You should note, all of my teachings are life-affirming. I talk about having a passion for life and building a great life and loving life. I do not talk about life as something to run away from or escape. Life is beautiful. So stick around. The human body does limit your consciousness. You guys seem to confuse two things: 1) Statements of truth, vs 2) What you should do about it. Many things are true but that does say anything about what you ought to do. If a yogi tells you that the body limits consciousness, that does not mean you should kill the body. The body has certain fundamental limits. What you do about it up to you. I have never said to harm the body as a means of raising consciousness. Harming the body NEVER been a valid Actualized.org technique. Look through all of my teaching and one example where I told you that harming the body is valid technique which I endorse. I have obviously never said that because it would deeply irresponsible.

You are starting to realize that everything is Consciousness. Which is very important. But it's still shallow. You can go much deeper in that realization.

So what happens now is that there will be a lot of polarization, division, and fragmentation. Everyone is gonna be forced into a position of pointing fingers and taking sides. People won't be able to help themselves. So just be mindful of that and try to not get dragged into the shitshow. Notice yourself getting dragged in. This is a good exercise for you in how politics works. It gets dirty real fast.

Also, guys, please... those of you who support my work, do not attack, harass, or aggressively defend me in public or on other channels, etc. Because people will just use that to further demonize and misunderstand what we do here. Be polite and not too aggressive. The way this PR game works it that the more you try to defend Actualized.org, the more people will call you a delusional cult member. So you have to be smart about the PR game here. This is not about truth anymore, this is all a PR game now. This is collective ego survival 101. So those who will be attacking and demonzing Actualized.org will not care about truth, they will care about validating their worldview. And in their worldview Actualized.org is, of course, very conveniently, a dangerous cult. That will always be the easiest, laziest angle of attack.

Everything I read on this forum is feedback. But of course that doesn't mean I agree with it necessarily or that I will adopt it. But yes, this thread is very much about feedback and I will certainly use the lessons here to make future decisions about how to best structure my teachings and how to deal with people in general. This is not just a thread to cull people out who are critics. I am open to criticism. That is nothing new to me. I get criticized every day. Any healthy community must be open to feedback and criticism. The issue here is that I see A LOT of people fundamentally misunderstanding my teachings. Either they don't watch the videos or they just got some twisted ideas about what is said. It is those misunderstandings that I want to squash. My first responsibility is to make sure that my teachings are correctly understood and not misunderstood. So that's the purpose behind what I'm doing now. I see way to much misunderstanding and that frustrates me. But I'll deal with it.

No, that does not sound like a clear no-self. That was a glimpse into what consciousness is and a seeing through the illusion of materialism. No-self is simply when you clearly realize there never was a human self. It will fee like: "OF COURSE! How could I have been dumb as to ever believe there was a self?!!! What the fuck is a 'self' anyway?!!! Of course there's no self!" It's very clear and obvious when you hit it. It will help you to contemplate: "What is a self?" Like, seriously! What is it?

Here is the discussion thread about the teachings and the future of Actualized.org

Is this a joke? These people are both clueless. They have no understanding of my work. This is the problem with this entire situation. Which is that clueless people will start to opine on things they have no understanding of because "it's a cult" and "I don't feel comfortable" and "It's all ego". Of course in truth both of these people are speaking of ego so deep they don't even know what ego is yet. So what will happen now is A LOT of profound misunderstanding and projection which causes people to completely get distracted from consciousness work and waking up. And that is precisely how devilry works -- out of ignorance and fear it mislabels true teachings as falsehood, while replacing the true teachings with ignorance. So this is how the game works. Be ware of that, it will be happening a lot. There is going to be a culling of this community. My teachings will polarize people, those of you guys who have a problem with my core teachings will have to leave this community and find yourself other communities, because I am not going to tolerate nonsense and projection here. Going forward I expect a very nuanced understanding from you of my teachings, and if I don't see that, you will be asked to leave. Nothing personal, but I have better things to do than argue with ignorance or trolls. I am not going to sit by and deal with people who have little comprehension of the things I teach and the warnings about this work that I have given out in the past. If you honestly believe that my work promotes suicide, you should make plans to exit this community because we will not be getting along and I have no interest in teaching such people. Those of you who understand that my work obviously has never promoted suicide, I appreciate your support. I should also note, those of you who disagree with my teachings about Love and God-realization will also be asked to leave. You have no business following my teachings. This thread is being closed, but I will be opening a new thread which will be a discussion about the nature of my teachings and you guys can vent whatever grievances you have with me or my teachings there. There you can also hand in your resignations if you are leaving the forum.

I want to clarity for people who might be reading this anew that measures will be taken to further minimize misunderstanding of the teachings and make things extra clear regarding suicide and other potential dangers and how to avoid them. So don't get the idea that nothing is being done or no feedback is being listened to. Making the teachings safer and clearer is something I hold as important. But you also need to understand that they will never be fool-proof and people will ignore warnings even when they are given. The kind of people who are most susceptible to misusing the teachings are precisely those who will tend to skip over warnings.