Martial arts evolution, MMA, Stage orange corruption.

[Danioover9000]

   Nice video covering the UFC's future competitor:

   Of course, based on Stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, ego development, life experiences and other lines of development in life and society, ideological indoctrination from upbringing and culture, and self biases, replacing one thing with another that is very similar yet has few advantages doesn't really do much to solve the deeper issues found in modern martial arts and the commodity of it.

   WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

Edited July 10, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

   Also a deep problem, sometimes not most times, is when your calling or passion is valued greatly, and feed back or what others say, from your family to friends to lovers and to other members of society tell you, is devalued extremely less in your mind, is where problems can arise from this extreme individualism, For example, if I completely disregard societal and family norms, of socially acceptable behaviors, disregard whatever the social programming is indoctrinated and gaslight into my mind, and prioritize what my heart and my subjective experiences are, and my desire and deep cravings, for instance if it turns out what excites me and makes me turned on is killing people and raping hot chicks in secret Mr. Brooks style, that has it's own list of costs and prices to pay, plus if this starts to scale up such that now people become more authoritarian and Libertarian and extremely selfish we start having problems.

   This is why I believe calling and passion is on a spectrum, shared with your upbringing and environment and cultural values. Your passions and calling is interconnected with all your other developmental factors, and your emotions, and to some extent, fear. FEAR IS A CONCEPT ABOUT THE FUTURE, which is why majority of the time, you mostly don't misbehave as much because you DEEPLY FEAR going to jail, getting sued, going to high security prison, locked into an Asylum, and even fear retaliation and karma. I believe that calling and passion is also partly informed by your environments and other developmental factors. Kind of like a very complicated RPG game, except you're the character wearing the skin.

[Juan]

48 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

NONE!

[Danioover9000]

   This video sucks, but it clearly shows how most people in the MMA crowd think, and how typical this is in groups:

 

[Juan]

@Danioover9000 do you have a job? 

[Danioover9000]

   How can you outgrow stage red/blue when a society makes it part of the culture like this:

   I might strawman this a lot, but again it's not that simple to just follow your passions, when some of your said passions may involve destroying other people's lives, that's not quite a good enough LP based on various other developmental factors like SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, ego development, life experiences and other lines of development, ideological beliefs indoctrinated, groomed and gaslighted by upbringing and culture. When you take LP and other modals like Ikegai, factor these life purpose modals in relation to developmental modals, already it's too complicated to just say 'FOLLOW YOUR PASSIONS' when it may be dangerous.

   Life is still a series of tradeoffs, be careful your actions don't cause immense suffering to others, including yourself. For example, very bad example but let's say porn and having lots of sex is your calling, at whatever cost, that doesn't mean you should follow that passions blindly for the deep cravings and desires. NUANCE, NUANCE, NUANCE!

Edited July 11, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Princess Arabia]

6 hours ago, Juan said:

@Danioover9000 do you have a job? 

Why do you ask that. I'm curious. 

[Israfil]

41 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Ikegai

Ikigai*

[Danioover9000]

@Israfil

35 minutes ago, Israfil said:

Ikigai*

   Thank you for the correction Israil. What do you think about the issues with martial arts in today's world?

Edited July 11, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

@Princess Arabia

49 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Why do you ask that. I'm curious. 

   We have an history, ongoing negative relationship between me and @Juan because he dissed and trolled me on a thread years ago about internet addiction, increases in ADD/ADHD and narcissism, and I dissed his Tik Tok in retaliation, so he's making fun of the fact I sometimes don't log out of the forum when I leave and calling me a homeless bum. I can't fight back anymore due to warning points over this drama so I cannot comment further.

   That aside, what are your thoughts about this issues with cultures and societies commodifying martial arts? Does martial arts humble the ego, with enough discipline? 

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Princess Arabia

   We have an history, ongoing negative relationship between me and @Juan because he dissed and trolled me on a thread years ago about internet addiction, increases in ADD/ADHD and narcissism, and I dissed his Tik Tok in retaliation, so he's making fun of the fact I sometimes don't log out of the forum when I leave and calling me a homeless bum. I can't fight back anymore due to warning points over this drama so I cannot comment further.

   That aside, what are your thoughts about this issues with cultures and societies commodifying martial arts? Does martial arts humble the ego, with enough discipline? 

I don't really have much to say about it. I think Marshall arts does make you more disciplined, but as far as the ego goes, the Marshall arts people I know personally do have 'big egos' and think they know everything and aren't very humble. I used to date one, so I'm just talking from experience, but then again he used to be a cop (lieutenant to be exact) so maybe both combined balanced each other out. 

Edited July 11, 2023 by Princess Arabia

[Israfil]

16 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Israfil

   Thank you for the correction Israfil. What do you think about the issues with martial arts in today's world?

It's good to see how much we came to optimize them, but in a certain way, that homogenized the landscape. MMA has specific rules, and everyone is trying to get into it because of the money. We will tend towards losing traditional arts in the long run.

At the same time, actual martial arts (fighting techniques for war) are way less prevalent in the industrialized world and will be even less so. Jiu-Jitsu was born as a way of harming opponents even with armor on, and that was relevant when people had to fight in close combat. We lost those techniques to time and the same will probably happen with the market pressure flattening out the techniques people use. 

[Israfil]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't really have much to say about it. I think Marshall arts does make you more disciplined, but as far as the ego goes, the Marshall arts people I know personally do have 'big egos' and think they know everything and aren't very humble. I used to date one, so I'm just talking from experience, but then again he used to be a cop so maybe both combined balanced each other out. 

All my masters were highly disciplined and humble. There's something humbling in falling/being choked hundreds of thousands of times.

[Juan]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Why do you ask that. I'm curious. 

Because @Danioover9000 tends to post a lot of threads about debates and low quality subjects we could said and many of them has been closed in the past. So idk I get the vibe sometimes that he/she spends a lot of time on the internet so it was a honest question from my part. But tbh I’ve seen he/she has tone it down a lot recently so I can respect that. Also he/she make threads with the intention of debating others here on the forum but again I’ve seen it tone down recently. 

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   We have an history, ongoing negative relationship between me and @Juan because he dissed and trolled me on a thread years ago about internet addiction, increases in ADD/ADHD and narcissism, and I dissed his Tik Tok in retaliation, so he's making fun of the fact I sometimes don't log out of the forum when I leave and calling me a homeless bum. I can't fight back anymore due to warning points over this drama so I cannot comment further.

You ok bud? We started interacting this year, you’ve just made up most of what you said here, that is just a weird take of yours. 

But hey, I’m a guy who is able to forgive and let go the past, we even haven’t met in person so you could be actually a good person ok? Sorry if what I’ve said hurted you in some way. 

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

13 hours ago, Juan said:

Because @Danioover9000 tends to post a lot of threads about debates and low quality subjects we could said and many of them has been closed in the past. So idk I get the vibe sometimes that he/she spends a lot of time on the internet so it was a honest question from my part. But tbh I’ve seen he/she has tone it down a lot recently so I can respect that. Also he/she make threads with the intention of debating others here on the forum but again I’ve seen it tone down recently. 

You ok bud? We started interacting this year, you’ve just made up most of what you said here, that is just a weird take of yours. 

But hey, I’m a guy who is able to forgive and let go the past, we even haven’t met in person so you could be actually a good person ok? Sorry if what I’ve said hurted you in some way. 

   If you have nothing to add to the thread, don't post.

[Danioover9000]

@Israfil

16 hours ago, Israfil said:

It's good to see how much we came to optimize them, but in a certain way, that homogenized the landscape. MMA has specific rules, and everyone is trying to get into it because of the money. We will tend towards losing traditional arts in the long run.

At the same time, actual martial arts (fighting techniques for war) are way less prevalent in the industrialized world and will be even less so. Jiu-Jitsu was born as a way of harming opponents even with armor on, and that was relevant when people had to fight in close combat. We lost those techniques to time and the same will probably happen with the market pressure flattening out the techniques people use. 

   Well, we've haven't lost all the martial arts techniques, or methods of martialing, but we do have seen them get watered down over time based on many developmental factors and evolution of value systems. When we see a society or group go from stage red to blue, to blue/orange way more than red, so too will we see a reduction of more stage red methods. Just look at Japan's history of the samurai, and how time has made changes.

   I guess my main issue with the current UFC stuff is they're commodifying this martial arts too much, there's too much capitalism, that now it's all about that money or the thrill of beating fighters up, all for what in the long term? More cases of brain damage? More cases of fetishizing a way of fighting? It's a bit sick to me, and this is coming from someone who likes martial arts and fighting too.

[Danioover9000]

@Princess Arabia

16 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't really have much to say about it. I think Marshall arts does make you more disciplined, but as far as the ego goes, the Marshall arts people I know personally do have 'big egos' and think they know everything and aren't very humble. I used to date one, so I'm just talking from experience, but then again he used to be a cop (lieutenant to be exact) so maybe both combined balanced each other out. 

   Sure, I do agree that martial arts does make the ego get humbled, to some extent, because there's always exceptions to this. 2 examples, we see in history that samurais are very trained in martial arts, yet during the warring period they've done a lot of evil shit to other warlords and waring factions within Japan, so it's not that martial arts has humbled their ego, no, it seemed to have made them far more selfish and more violent than before. The other examples are these claims that BJJ humbles the ego, yet 2 male BBJ students raped a female BJJ student in Brazil, a selfish behavior. And there's so many examples of the ego weaponizing and even getting more impulsive and selfish with martial arts that I just can't fully agree that martial arts can fully humble the ego.

   That plus the commodification the UFC did to MMA, all that has watered down martial arts to some extent.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Princess Arabia

   Sure, I do agree that martial arts does make the ego get humbled, to some extent, because there's always exceptions to this. 2 examples, we see in history that samurais are very trained in martial arts, yet during the warring period they've done a lot of evil shit to other warlords and waring factions within Japan, so it's not that martial arts has humbled their ego, no, it seemed to have made them far more selfish and more violent than before. The other examples are these claims that BJJ humbles the ego, yet 2 male BBJ students raped a female BJJ student in Brazil, a selfish behavior. And there's so many examples of the ego weaponizing and even getting more impulsive and selfish with martial arts that I just can't fully agree that martial arts can fully humble the ego.

   That plus the commodification the UFC did to MMA, all that has watered down martial arts to some extent.

I think the only thing that can truly humble the ego is the realization that it doesn't exist and to live from that realization.

[Israfil]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

I think the only thing that can truly humble the ego is the realization that it doesn't exist and to live from that realization.

There are plenty of ways of getting there. Rolling in jiu jitsu takes you to the moment and develops awareness of yourself and your environment. Is a nice way to integrate many things that your body need.

[Danioover9000]

@Israfil

1 hour ago, Israfil said:

There are plenty of ways of getting there. Rolling in jiu jitsu takes you to the moment and develops awareness of yourself and your environment. Is a nice way to integrate many things that your body need.

   I can agree a little bit that rolling in both Japanese and Brazilian Jiujitsu, to some extent catch wrestling and other grappling arts, can be part of the humbling of the ego. However, the safety of that martial arts is still relative to the person and other developmental factors. For example, if you don't know that the person you're applying the rear naked choke has pre existing health and medical conditions of stroke, or of high blood pressure and them having problems with the capillaries around some parts of their brain, then when choking and the submission happens and you increase pressure in order to cut off oxygen and blood supply to the brain in relation to the person's defending and resisting, that pressure also pushes upwards whatever amount of blood above the neck into the capillaries around the brain, increasing probability of bruising or causing a stroke that day, or next week or months or years later. Without most BJJ or JJJ practitioners or instructors being aware, they become part of the negative contribution to that person's future stroke event.