How to integrate stage blue ?

[Someone here]

I consider myself at stage orange on the spiral. I'm pretty much rationally oriented..materialistically oriented..achievement oriented..successful oriented. Etc.

I value individuality .rationality .science. secular atheistic versions of spirituality like what the whole new age community is based upon .

But I haven't fully transcend stage blue .I'm craving an absolute truth that could be written in a book .I crave a belief in separate God as a father figure who can listen to my prayer and help me find my way in life .I crave for absolute good and evil. Moral and immoral.  Seems like a lot of blue shadow to integrate. 

[Carl-Richard]

13 hours ago, Someone here said:

I'm craving an absolute truth that could be written in a book .I crave a belief in separate God as a father figure who can listen to my prayer and help me find my way in life .I crave for absolute good and evil. Moral and immoral.  Seems like a lot of blue shadow to integrate. 

That's the surface-level appearance of Blue. You have to ask: what do these things provide? Order and meaning. These two meta-values go extremely deep, and you can spend years integrating them. So you don't have to integrate Blue by becoming a dogmatic, bible-thumping Blue. Just distill the core values.

For the last couple of years, I've been working on creating order and meaning on all levels: daily life, life purpose, interpersonally, privately etc. For example, I've solidified my daily habits (diet, work, exercise, sleep), started taking notes for literally everything, planning things out thoroughly, committing to an education path, upping my workload, always telling the truth, and having faith in the process.

[Tyler Robinson]

Blue is very toxic. You can't integrate that. 

The only aspect of blue that looks desirable is hard work and discipline. 

You could integrate those aspects. Work hard and stay disciplined in your routine. 

Blue encourages moralizing and dogmatism. 

It's one of the most unhealthy stages of the spiral. 

 

[Someone here]

12 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

That's the surface-level appearance of Blue. You have to ask: what do these things provide? Order and meaning. These two meta-values go extremely deep, and you can spend years integrating them. So you don't have to integrate Blue by becoming a dogmatic, bible-thumping Blue. Just distill the core values.

For the last couple of years, I've been working on creating order and meaning on all levels: daily life, life purpose, interpersonally, privately etc. For example, I solidified my daily habits (diet, work, exercise, sleep), started taking notes for literally everything, planning things out thoroughly, committing to an education path, upping my workload, always telling the truth, and having faith in the process.

Good job man .

I don't want to slip back to stage blue. I wanna integrate it. As in completely transcend  it and not leaving any shadow of blue present .

Im satisfied with stage Orange and I don't feel like growing myself to the higher states because I haven't had the necessary  spiritual experiences to upgrade to green, yellow, or turquoise.

I experience Blue as without ambition, hiding behind the system, not pragmatic, unmovable, and inflexible. Surely the blind spots are more than its advantages. So how to completely transcend blue ?

[Someone here]

9 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

Blue is very toxic. You can't integrate that. 

The only aspect of blue that looks desirable is hard work and discipline. 

You could integrate those aspects. Work hard and stay disciplined in your routine. 

Blue encourages moralizing and dogmatism. 

It's one of the most unhealthy stages of the spiral. 

 

I think you are too demonising blue .it has great values:

Searching for meaning, order, routine and security

Self-control, discipline and loyalty to the doctrine and the rules

Absolute, literal and definite

Morality.

[Ulax]

'The four Agreements' By Don Ruiz, and 'Seven Habits of highly effective people' by Covey, could be useful books for a general secular blue framework.

The most blue integration I've personally felt was when I followed covey's advice of, 'Make small commitments and keep them'. I intend to return to that mindset one day.

Regarding discipline, 'Atomic Habits', and 'Deep work' are useful for discipline imo. Military dudes can be useful sources for discipline and examples of integrity. I'd be wary of toxic masculine elements of their teaching though.

Hope that helps. 

Edited August 22, 2022 by Ulax

[Someone here]

5 hours ago, Ulax said:

'The four Agreements' By Don Ruiz, and 'Seven Habits of highly effective people' by Covey, could be useful books for a general secular blue framework.

The most blue integration I've personally felt was when I followed covey's advice of, 'Make small commitments and keep them'. I intend to return to that mindset one day.

Regarding discipline, 'Atomic Habits', and 'Deep work' are useful for discipline imo. Military dudes can be useful sources for discipline and examples of integrity. I'd be wary of toxic masculine elements of their teaching though.

Hope that helps. 

Thanks brother for the suggestions. 

I heard that "the seven Habits of highly effective people "book is quite popular and powerful one ? Could you give me a brief introduction of what It is about? 

[Ulax]

@Someone here Here's an overview:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_7_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People

You're welcome btw

[BluntIbex]

Currently attempting to integrate healthy stage blue attributes - discipline and limiting entertainment and constant dopamine hits and pleasure (sacrificing stage green term for abundance). Skimming through Jordan B. Peterson's 12 rules for life to absorb the juiciest glimpses of healthy blue integration. 

[Buck Edwards]

On 8/22/2022 at 7:38 AM, Tyler Robinson said:

Blue is very toxic. You can't integrate that. 

The only aspect of blue that looks desirable is hard work and discipline. 

You could integrate those aspects. Work hard and stay disciplined in your routine. 

Blue encourages moralizing and dogmatism. 

It's one of the most unhealthy stages of the spiral. 

 

This is not completely true. Lots of healthy aspects to blue. You're being dogmatic, old soul. 

Change your attitude!

[Buck Edwards]

You need to get rid of any blue shadow elements, aspects you hate about Blue. 

 

[Artsu]

Stage blue isn't about belief in God/the bible, it's about things lie convention and conformity. Chances are you don't have to do anytining to integrate this.