Will the US economy collapse like the Roman empire?

[Girzo]

13 minutes ago, StarfoxEpiphany said:

Your beloved social democracies don't because there's no EU military.  That way they can have no responsibilites and depend/blame the US.

What? Every EU country has their own military. NATO already unifies in some way all these European armies together, and with the US and Canada too, so there's no need for creating another organization to enable cooperation for only European militaries. The EU has strategic prgorams to additionaly redistribute wealth to militaries of countries that are on the borders of the union. EU is not like the US, to have only one single military, you also need to have only one central bank, EU is not yet integrated that much.

6 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Russia can have Ukraine and Poland. Why should we fight fight US interests?

WTF? Poland is an EU country and a literal ally of the US for decades. You probably meant Belarus.

Edited June 27, 2021 by Girzo

[voxun]

12 minutes ago, StarfoxEpiphany said:

Your beloved social democracies don't because there's no EU military.  That way they can have no responsibilites and depend/blame the US.  Not that I wouldn't do the same thing.

We do have a military. Of course its not a EU military because the EU is not a country. All our individual countries have a military of their own and they work together. Of course its nowhere near the scope of the US military in terms of spending but neither is any other army in the world.

[StarfoxEpiphany]

@Girzo Yeah I know each EU country has it's own tiny military.  That way, there's not global responsibilities and they can get away with not spending much money on NATO. 

How would you feel if Taiwan falls, btw?  I think the survival of democracy in East Asia might be considered both an EU and US interest.  Except for the people that are appeasers like Neville Chamberlain who let Hitler rise to power.

Edited June 27, 2021 by StarfoxEpiphany

[kai0]

death is a natural phenomena ofc sooner or later it will collapse

and spiral dynamic is not the only way to predict the future

book on topic

Destined for War : Can America and China Escape Thucydides's Trap?

Edited June 27, 2021 by kai0

[voxun]

11 minutes ago, StarfoxEpiphany said:

@Girzo Yeah I know each EU country has it's own tiny military.  That way, there's not global responsibilities and they can get away with not spending much money on NATO. 

How would you feel if Taiwan falls, btw?  I think the survival of democracy in East Asia might be considered both an EU and US interest.  Except for the people that are appeasers like Neville Chamberlain who let Hitler rise to power.

I wouldn't call it tiny, in fact in terms of military personnel its probably larger then US. The budget is of course smaller.

Edited June 27, 2021 by voxun

[StarStruck]

19 minutes ago, StarfoxEpiphany said:

Why should an EU military stop a genocide in Rwanda?  Good question, Idk the answer.

Can't help everybody. Decides need to be made. 

[Harlen Kelly]

@StarfoxEpiphany I don't mean to name call, but you are absurdly ignorant. If you don't understand a particular subject, you should study it first before making assertions. 

[StarfoxEpiphany]

@Harlen Kelly 

Instead of being vague and rude, why don't you try being specific. 

I think we both know what will happen.

[Harlen Kelly]

1 hour ago, StarfoxEpiphany said:

Because 40% of the GDP is from the government I think coming up in 2021.  Money printer go brrrrrrrrrrrr (to pay the debt).  But I guess that depends on your definiton of socialism.

To be more specific, this is an absurdly fallacious definition of socialism. Again, if you don't understand something, do a brief investigation, read about it and then make assertions.

Edited June 27, 2021 by Harlen Kelly

[StarfoxEpiphany]

@Lucas-fgm Who are you talking to? 

I'm not the one that said that originally, but some people may consider Canada socialist because so much of the GDP this year is government spending.  I heard estimates up to 40% of the GDP

[Harlen Kelly]

4 minutes ago, Lucas-fgm said:

There are only two remaining true socialist countries in the world. And they are Cuba and North Korea. Where the fuck did you take this idea that Romania and Canada are socialist countries man?

Those are communist dictatorships.  

[StarfoxEpiphany]

@Harlen Kelly 

1 minute ago, Harlen Kelly said:

To be more specific, this is an absurdly fallacious definition of socialism. Again, if you don't understand something, do a brief investigation, read about it and then make assertions.

lmao, leo says it's when the workers own equity at the company instead of earning salaries. 

Nothing is stopping anyone from doing this.

[Harlen Kelly]

@StarfoxEpiphany There is a plethora of information regarding different economic structures, that information is easily accessible. 

There is no need to guess, just write ''socialism'' on google and read the Wikipedia page or go to the library. 

Edited June 27, 2021 by Harlen Kelly

[StarfoxEpiphany]

@Harlen Kelly Yes, it says the the economic capital is controlled by 'society' or the government.  It's easy to do that through taxing and printing bonds out of thin air.

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by StarfoxEpiphany

[StarfoxEpiphany]

8 minutes ago, Lucas-fgm said:

means of production belong to the workers.

So what does this mean in practice.  I've had people explain it to me that you get shares instead of a salary, but that can already be done. 

Are you saying the  economic capital is run by bureaucrats?  The electric grid is a means of production, and that's usually run by the government.  What about the mountees and Canadian wildlife police?  

Edited June 27, 2021 by StarfoxEpiphany

[Harlen Kelly]

@Lucas-fgm Socialism and communism is not the same. 

You have a free encyclopedia at your disposal, is called Wikipedia. There is no need to ''guess'' when you have access to factual information.

Edited June 27, 2021 by Harlen Kelly

[StarfoxEpiphany]

@Harlen Kelly It says there's multiple definitions (because people keep changing it to suit their talking points).

[Harlen Kelly]

@StarfoxEpiphany This is good.

He will break down some of the socio-economic structures in a very digestible, easy-to-comprehend way.

By the way, David is an economist, political commentator and professor at a university (I think he is not teaching at the moment). 

Edited June 27, 2021 by Harlen Kelly

[Harlen Kelly]

@Lucas-fgm The government of Korea is called ''Democratic People’s Republic of Korea'' and it is not by any means democratic. 

 

[Harlen Kelly]

@Lucas-fgm Lol, ok bro.