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How to cure bloating?

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10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

In fact, you got a double case of SIBO: hydrogen and methane. Which will be harder to cure.

P.S. You cannot use any garlic if you have SIBO. You should avoid all spices to be safe. Just use salt.

 

What about nutritional yeast? Healthy fats like Cod Liver Oil and Extra Virgin Olive Oil??

 

4 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

 

@Vision Do you drink coffee?

 

No. I haven’t had coffee in almost 2 years. I don’t consume caffeine. 

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I’m going to email my naturopath asking about this. Is there anything I should mention in particular?


But if she made a mistake, I don’t even know if she’d admit that she misinterpreted it? Can they even do that? I mean I’ve spent so much money...

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10 hours ago, Vision said:

But if she made a mistake

She probably just doesn't understand SIBO that well. I doubt she made some technical mistake.


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These mainstream doctors don't understand anything, I am so frustrated with them

Even for common diseases, they just give you a bunch of antibiotics and other hardcore drugs which destroy your body. It's so fucking lazy. Why should I even go to these doctors for such an easy lazy solution?

I have no clue what these guys are doing for 8-10+ years in their medical schools. I've pretty much almost never had any really unique treatments, it is always just antibiotic + some kind of a painkiller, that's it

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I had sibo for 3 years, didn't know what it was till last year. I just had God awful distended belly after eating, usually starting In the afternoon then lots of gas the rest of the day. Didn't know what it was until I learned about sibo. And it's prolific, like if you don't seriously do the protocols and just take some supplements here and there it's never gonna get better. It'll temporarily receed then just come back.

I don't think it's necessary to get a breath test. Hydrogen sulfide or methane, whatver because if your using herbs and stuff, the treatment is basically the same. Usually you need to do 2-3 rounds of the herbal antibiotics before it's completely gone. Basically you can usually only wipe out like 50% each time, so every round will weaken it and weaken it, until finally there's not enough to cause a problem. This is the case with chemical antibiotic and herbal. Usually sibo isn't a nuke the crap out of it and your good. You just slowly need to rebalance your population.

https://drruscio.com/ this guy has antibiotic herbal supplements and gut repairing powders. You can just learn the basics from his blog or book and decide what you need. His site makes it easy to get everything in one place. Personally i just got supplements from other places and built my own protocol because it's slightly cheaper. I rotated between apex energetics gi synergy and biotics research fc cidal + dysbiocide. I also added oregano oil and allicin. Took a gut mucosa healing powder also to reduce inflammation in the gut lining to help repair and rebalance flora. And took restor flora by microbiome labs as my probiotic. It's spore based specifically designed strains for sibo. I use https://www.maybeitsmercury.com/supplements this ladies referral thing to get some supplements at a good discount like the biotics research. 

If you feel researching all the products is too time consuming and want to just jump into the protocol, I'd just go with Dr ruscios stuff. It's just slightly more expensive. He recommends his elemental diet where you eat these low fodmap carb drinks for 5 days or so. Personally because I didn't want to spend the money, I just fasted for 5 days. Well, I did a liver detox thing where I drank half cup olive oil and half cup grapefruit juice twice a day 12 hrs apart, and an enema twice a day 1hr before taking the potion. The point of his elemental diet or my detox is to ingest NO fiber that feeds the bacteria. You starve down BOTH bad and good bacteria. Then you start taking the antibacterial supps, while eating lowfodmap. This way instead firing into huge legions of enemies, you starve them all down, reduce their numbers, then start "attacking."

This method worked best for me. I tried just taking all the supps and I tried fasting and then taking the supps. It's a huge difference in effectiveness. The first method works, but be prepared to spend more money because you gotta treatment longer.

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5 hours ago, Michael569 said:

You also have to consider that most people WANT this sort of approach. 9/10 diabetics are not looking for a real cure, just to dump their responsibility somewhere else and to stop being in pain. That's it. Having to take metformin 3 times a day is less painful than having to lose 50 kilos and starting to exercise. 

Crazy isn't it? Especially when they found like 3 weeks of intermittent fasting could cure 70% of longstanding type 2 diabetics. And a couple more weeks for the other 30.

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@Vision either you don't have sibo... or you do. In the book healthy gut healthy you, the guy talks about how tests aren't 100% accurate, maybe like 60% only. It also matters the sugar they give you. I forget if he says lactose was the more accurate one or if it was the other glucose or something. I feel like I remember glucose was more accurate because it's transit is slower or something. 

I think your test means the lactose didn't trigger fermentation and gas in your small intestine (sibo is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth) but fermented in your colon instead, which is normal because that's where your probiotics live. So according to your test you dont have sibo, but again testing for sibo is very hit or miss since it depends on many factors like the sugars they use, and like your test says "unless small intestine transit is abnormally slow"

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@Ora

I took glucose first, then lactulose. I was in the clinic for about 5-6 hours. 

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On 5/21/2021 at 11:32 PM, Michael569 said:

First of all, the order of testing (according to AGIP) should have been Lactulose first, Glucose second. Did your lab do it this way? If not, you may have got false positive/false negative. 

No. It was Glucose first, then Lactulose. 
 

On 5/21/2021 at 11:32 PM, Michael569 said:

This is the point that takes away the certainty. We cannot tell whether the increase behind 90 minutes is due to colonic fermentation or small intestinal fermentation. I think you should get a second opinion

But even with a second opinion how will I know which one it is?

On 5/21/2021 at 11:32 PM, Michael569 said:

You should take these results and show them to a medical gastroenterologist. There is too much vagueness in SIBO diagnosis at the moment and you may need to get a test called jejunum culture aspirate which is currently considered to be a gold standard test. This is more invasive however and includes sticking a tube down your throat, this is the best we have so far. 

 

What does the jejenum culture aspirate do? What information does it give?

I just want to know exactly what to do. I’ll do whatever it takes. 

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@Vision I'd recommend checking that Dr ruscio guy out. His book explains things clearly and that if you think you have sibo and have enough symptoms, you don't need to know if you have methane or sulfide version and that testing as you see is very hit or miss unless you actually get that invasive procedure michael talked about. Dr ruscio even says it's not always necessary to get testing done, but just jump into the protocol and see your reaction.. The herbal antibiotics bacterial protocol will take care of both types of sibo. I listed supps that I used in an earlier post, but you can get it more simply through the guys website, which may be like 15% more expensive, but it saves you trouble. You can opt to do the 5 day fasting before hand or take his powdered meal replacements, but I recommend you to do it because for me personally it created a huge change compared to supps only, which I started with.

 

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2 hours ago, Michael569 said:

The longer you let it untreated, the worse it will generally get. 

How much worse can it get? After all this haziness and confusion I’ve gotten a bit demoralised. It’s like I lost my drive to find a fix. I usually get motivated if I realise how severe a situation really is. 
 

At least I know I haven’t exhausted all my options yet. It’s just a matter of money, time, and energy.

2 hours ago, Michael569 said:

At the moment this is the most reliable and the most sensitive test for diagnosis of SIBO we have. It beats the breath testing but it is more invasive. 

How much does it generally cost? Does it cost more than the hydrogen methane breath test?

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1 hour ago, Vision said:

How much worse can it get?

A lot worse.

Fix it, or you might get cancer or other bad stuff.


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12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A lot worse.

Fix it, or you might get cancer or other bad stuff.

 

10 hours ago, Michael569 said:

Untreated SIBO (if this is SIBO) can progress to all sorts of problems  (if there is also some ongoing intestinal permeability) can pretty much lead to anything including Coeliac, IBD, liver problems, asthma, new types of allergies, depression. 

Where can I read more about SIBO and the consequences of leaving it untreated? What are some good sources?

The more I read about how badly these health conditions can affect my quality of life, the more I seem to be motivated. Negative motivation tends to motivate me better than positive motivation... for now at least. 

10 hours ago, Michael569 said:

jejunal aspirate is a medical test, your doctor needs to refer you to gastroenterologist (gut doctor) and they need to run the tests. This is what I mentioned before. Take your breath test and ask the gut doctor to interpret it rather than the private lab. Not sure what the medical system looks like where you're based but here in UK medical tests are not charged because they come from your monthly insurance contribution 

Okay great. Thank you! 

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17 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

rifaximin and metrodinazole

I heard those antibiotics are very expensive. Most medicines in my country are funded by the government. Would that be the same for these? 

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@Michael569

The stool test that my naturopath gave me is the MetaBiome stool test. Would that be any different from a GI-MAP stool test? 

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@Michael569

The difference in price between the MetaBiome stool test and the GI-MAP test was negligible. That is the test she had me get but I’m not sure if they will give the same information.

 

Here is a PDF of a MetaBiome test sample report. Do you think it’s missing anything that the GI-MAP has? Will it give enough information to explain my leaky gut? 

MetaBiome_Microbiome_Gene_Test_Sample_Report.pdf

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8 hours ago, Michael569 said:

But depends on what you fancy more and what is preferable to you.

I just had to go with what my naturopath made me get. She’s the one that’s interpreting it.
 

8 hours ago, Michael569 said:

Do you have a sample report of which GI Map would you take, do you have a particular company? Could you share it? 

Yes, here’s a sample report.

2206-Complete-Microbiome-Mapping..pdf

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3 hours ago, Michael569 said:

I'd be more inclined to take the later one. The information seems more practical. Is it expensive? 

The MetaBiome test was $430 and the GI MAP test was around $600. 

Unfortunately I didn’t really have much freedom as I had to purchase them via practitioner recommendation. I think I would’ve bought the GI MAP test if I could.

3 hours ago, Michael569 said:

There is a Zonulin test (which is part of this)

Which is part of what? The MetaBiome test or the GI MAP test? 
 

This clinic does do a Zonulin test for like $160

3 hours ago, Michael569 said:

Dual Sugar Assay (seems to be better) and Polyethene Glycol (which may be the best but is rarely available). 

Did a google search for these in my area and haven’t found any.

 

My Organic Acids Tests results should be coming soon. What information could it give? 

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6 hours ago, Michael569 said:

my personal opinion on OAT is that Organic Acids are pretty much based on in-vitro research nearly 100%

What’s in-vitro research?

 

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