embracing evil - goosebump material

[Shadowraix]

2 hours ago, now is forever said:

i loved the ring - the japanese version. it was the last horror movie i watched.

Never saw the Japanese version but the Ring 1 & 2 were great. I also recommend Grave Encounters 1 & 2 if you like seeing actual demonic creatures and what not. Babadook, Oculus and Satanic are all good psychological horror movies as well.

[now is forever]

@Shadowraix i don’t like them that way. i liked the essence of truth in them. and i like them as an inspiration on how to scare shit out of shit, if i was a horror movie editor i would make that my hobby now (especially in some of these threads - maybe they would get less)

it always is creeping out of the screen. always.

Edited November 2, 2018 by now is forever

[GeoLura]

@Shadowraix  Hahah, I grew up lurking 4chan and similiar image boards. I was the extreme edgelord growing up. At 10 yo i used to force myself to watch the most horrific gore videos, mexican cartel torture videos etc. while listening to slipknot I thought it would make me strong somehow. Those are fucking toxic sites mostly, i still lurk /biz/ sometimes tho for info on new crypto projects.

[now is forever]

@GeoLura i don’t understand us-youth culture. at least this one. and i must confess i’m very preoccupied, as i have never been to the us.... so what is edgy about that site? it’s maybe ecchi... but i also get now what people think they are doing there.

it‘s still kind of ideocratic.

if i look up edgelord in the urban dictionary they say it’s about nihilism - but sorry traditionally nihilism is really a little less intrusive. and nihilistic arrogance really based on some kind of intellectual behavior. and that is timeless, even in europe undefeated.

and @Shadowraix also already stated he found out a lot of people are not ironic about what they are posting there.

so we could agree that it is radical ideocratic nihlism.

even if i might not get the whole picture.

sorry could not resist, to show some arrogance. this movie is from the not so far past, it’s a little over the top, but we can’t deny there is some shocking underlying truth to it. (partially referring to iq as sperm count)

(but well then again, how could it be shocking, as there is nothing shocking anymore. so metaphorically if the horror always creeps out of the screen - i value the horror of a movie by how much of horror it describes of the horror which creeped out of screens or into it in the first place)

Edited November 3, 2018 by now is forever

[GeoLura]

@now is forever  lol, i watched Idiocracy like a month ago for the first time It's over the top for sure and not that good of a movie, but the consept is scary for sure. Intelligent people tend to have alot less kids than low iq people.
But yeah, 4chan and other similiar sites are filled with lonely, nihilistic and resentful people. So that's their one place where they can try to make others feel as bad as they do. I think "trolling" began on 4chan.. Of course, there's all kinds of fringe ideologies talked about cause people can stay anonymous. Alt-right, Neo-nazis.. etc. It's hard to explain the mentality and "culture" of 4chan, cause my english is not that good and you'd have to lurk there for a while to understand it (don't do it, it's a waste of time). It's "edgy" in that sense, there's no limits to how much of an asshole or how unethical things you can post. I meant myself being the ultimate edgelord as a kid more like i was thinking i was cool, special and stronger, than all those "normies" cause i could watch all that horrific stuff and just keep a poker face.
 

[now is forever]

@GeoLura i don’t really get where you separate yourself from the people on 4chan - are you doing it or not?

are you separating nihilism from suffering? in what way?

do you think people talk about that stuff or do they impersonate it (i mean are they nazis or alt rights?)

does it hurt you if i say i feel sad for you, that you did that to yourself at the age of  ten? if i try to imagine that from my ten years old perspective - it seems to have been hard.

somehow that website sounds more and more like a brothel or a swinger club, where children fuck each other’s souls because they got fucked to hard by reality.

sorry for that language - i guess it can’t shock you.

i started to smoke at the age of 12 and i smoked weed at 14 i started to consume psychedelics at the age of 16 and i stopped all of it when i got 18 - except the smoking, even backlashed in that this year - what don’t we do to be special and other than the normies. it took a while to realize i don’t need that stuff - it’s not that what makes us special - but yes it’s a gaze into  the darkest corner of the dark.

that‘s why we search for light where there seems to be none aren’t we 

 

and that movie is soooo good it gets better every year. in sense of getting scarier - just look at the fast food predictions, it’s kind of accurate, i mean it’s from 2005...

...and that would mean exactly when those forums where started. mh interesting.

(it seems also understandable why these platforms are almost mens  only clubs)

Edited November 4, 2018 by now is forever

[GeoLura]

i don’t really get where you separate yourself from the people on 4chan - are you doing it or not?
What do you mean?

are you separating nihilism from suffering? in what way?
Nope.

do you think people talk about that stuff or do they impersonate it (i mean are they nazis or alt rights?)
Many people impersonate it. Make threads to bait, troll people, then that may draw in some real neo-nazis, who think that 4chan is their place to talk about that stuff and as time passes now there are real neo-nazis visiting and posting there often. I've seen that kind of thing happen. I also think that there's alot of propaganda spread in these kinds of sites. "Russian trollfarms" and all that who get paid to post propaganda on popular forums.

does it hurt you if i say i feel sad for you, that you did that to yourself at the age of  ten? if i try to imagine that from my ten years old perspective - it seems to have been hard.
It doesn't. I can't remember what i felt then. I can't watch that kind of stuff now as an adult.

somehow that website sounds more and more like a brothel or a swinger club, where children fuck each other’s souls because they got fucked to hard by reality.
Yes, that description fits. Hell, many youtube commenters have the same mentality. And twitter commenters too ...

 

 

 

[now is forever]

16 hours ago, GeoLura said:

does it hurt you if i say i feel sad for you, that you did that to yourself at the age of  ten? if i try to imagine that from my ten years old perspective - it seems to have been hard.
It doesn't. I can't remember what i felt then. I can't watch that kind of stuff now as an adult.

as long as you still can get touched by innocence! i know people from other generations who hardened so much they couldn’t see where they turned over to the dark side.

i couldn’t watch that extreme stuff - i can’t even watch horror movies. during last months there was even a point where i couldn‘t stand if a sharp knife pointed at my direction, had to turn it into another direction. and there is also so much horror inbetween - but i can see street reality since some years relatively clear and i can see the sensitive and innocent in it and that’s where i don’t look away.

more into growing than into burning 

but slowly get accustomed to how to burn the rotten as well, trying to understand where it is needed as hummus and where it is poisoning the soil.

Edited November 7, 2018 by now is forever

[Enizeo]

To be honest, this whole thread seems quite self righteous. Is it about embracing evil or pointing fingers at things, saying that you are not that, while still acting all spiritual and understanding? (I'm over exaggerating)

I think embracing evil is quite a good idea actually, the entire metal as well as occult community is all about that. I love horror movies, I love gore, I very much like to be disturbed and I spend most of my day listening to overly violent music (even though the lyrics are not even about violence most of the time). It's just not that big of a deal, it's part of reality and embracing that in art is actually part of the purpose of art.

It's all about the deep beauty of ugliness and disgust.

So here is some evil for you to embrace if you feel like it:

Iconic Slayer song about Joseph Mengele and what happened in Auschwitz (Also check out their song "Seasons In The Abyss", an ode to insanity)

 

Cattle Decapitation, Deathgrind about all the very real horrors that humanity has produced. Their discography shows that you don't need to make shit up to create insanely brutal art. This song is about what overfishing and pollution are doing to the oceans. With lyrics and beautifully shocking imagery.

 

A great artist that makes some amazing horror illustrations. I love this artwork he made of Baphomet, but all of his stuff is worth checking out.

 

So these are just some that came to my mind immediately. Let me know if you've acquired the taste and want more, I'm happy to show you the way down the rabbit whole into pure darkness >:D

[now is forever]

@Enizeo thanks for posting, it’s sad halloween is already over, i waited for more perspective then - of course this thread is self righteous, i tried to keep some conversation going.

thank you for the slayer song - but i have visited buchenwald when i was 7 and i have seen all the pictures and walked through the places those souls have left, have seen mountains of shoes and glasses and teath - and have seen a lot of nazi documentary about mengele and co. i know what beauty in my eyes is and what not. 

it‘s all a matter of taste and perspective. thank you for the invitation though - i think my taste is settled. i understand the symbol.

and it’s also kind of controversial isn’t it.

i watched a video about teal swan, where she described her life story - it was two days ago or so. first time i saw some video with her - i‘m really done for with horror.

yes it is about embracing. but different than many people think. and yes i am selfrighteously fingerpointing.

Edited November 7, 2018 by now is forever

[now is forever]

 

[lmfao]

@now is foreverforever. Is Tael Swan's lifestory quite bad? What are some of the things that happened? I'm asking cuz I cba to watch an entire interview lol. 

[now is forever]

@lmfao it‘s one of the most horrifying things i ever heard out of the mouth of a victim. i won‘t tell, you must watch it all, or leave it unseen.

Edited November 7, 2018 by now is forever

[lmfao]

@now is forever I just found this quote from Tael Swan's book:

In 1989, I was invited to visit the home of a girl who attended the same kindergarten class as I did. Her father was a member of a satanic coven in the area. It was there that I caught the attention of "Doc". I have had to change his name for the purpose of this bio for legal reasons. Doc was in his fifties or sixties at the time. As it turns out, my parents knew him casually already. But unbeknownst to my parents, he was a member of the Blood Covenant, but he had infiltrated a local Satanic coven. Doc was a sociopath with multiple personalities. The only personality that most members of the community saw (including my parents) was a super intelligent, charismatic and successful "do gooder" type of personality. Because of his multiple personalities however, Doc lived a double life. On one hand, he was a likeable, intelligent, local health expert [sic] was obsessed with the study of the human mind; on the other hand, he was a sadistic, [sic] psychopath who attended cult rituals in his spare time. I do not know if he and my parents had crossed paths again before this point, but having developed an obsession with the idea of possessing me, he followed me in his truck when I was riding my pink huffy bike alone one day, pulled me off the bike and raped me for the first time inside a local Mormon stake house.... 

To spare you the graphic details, from age six to nineteen I was tortured physically and sexually in cult rituals. I was raped, deprived of food and forced to undergo three abortions (all fathered and aborted by Doc himself). I was photographed for sadomasochistic pornography, sold to men for sex out of outdoor gas station bathrooms, kept in basements and in a hole in the ground in Doc's back yard [sic]. I was exposed to electro-shock programming, forced to undergo isolation torture and left overnight tied up in lava caves in southern Idaho. I was drugged chronically by Doc with anesthetics (all of which he had unlimited access to due to being a vet by trade). I was chased through the Idaho and Utah wilderness by Doc "playing" tracking games in which he would hunt me, and I would undergo consequences (like having my rib cage cut or being raped) if I was caught. And I was used as a lure to other children that ended up being hurt and on occasion killed. (This biois reprinted virtually word-for-word in chapters two and three of Teal’s second book, Shadows Before Dawn.)

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That sounds bad if it is true. I found this website which writes the transcript of an interview with this "Doc" person. http://thetruthaboutcameron.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-complete-interview-of-teal-swans.html?m=1  The interviewers here hold an "anti" Tael Swan view. 

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by lmfao

[now is forever]

@lmfao don’t spoil it - watch it and decide for yourself.

it‘s easy to just go over to the next perspective.

if it’s just a story, i would give her an oscar.

Edited November 7, 2018 by now is forever

[Enizeo]

Some say she's full of shit

[lmfao]

@now is forever fair enough. I have reserved judgement on the whole thing.

Edited November 7, 2018 by lmfao

[now is forever]

@lmfao what is judgement without any foundation for judgement? 

judge your ego before judging others without hearing their version.

@Enizeo some say you are full of shit.

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[lmfao]

@now is forever true or not true, rape or no rape, I find some of her YouTube videos fairly good. 

[now is forever]

@lmfao if it’s true it’s not „just“ rape. and what is „just“ about rape anyways to say true or not true.

Edited November 7, 2018 by now is forever