Suicide and Enlightenment

[Sukhpaal]

Hey guys, Leo talks about accepting death is extremely vital to becoming enlightened. Would suicidal people be able to accept ego death easier than others because they want to die anyways? Or is that just false?

[Buba]

I dont know if it is for everyone, but for most suicide is mechanical. It is not fearlessness, but on the contrary is a tremendous fear. It is escaping the torture. Mechanical escape. Like, pulling your hand away from hot water.

[Joseph Maynor]

People who commit suicide are often weighed-down by huge ego problems.   The Enlightenment student doesn't really want to physically die, they just want to experience what the Ego is fully, which requires a psychological death knows as an Ego-Death.  The person who wants to physically die is rejecting reality.  The Enlightenment student is taught to accept reality fully.

Edited January 10, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[vizual]

48 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

People who commit suicide are often weighed-down by huge ego problems.   The Enlightenment student doesn't really want to physically die, they just want to experience what the Ego is fully, which requires a psychological death knows as an Ego-Death.  The person who wants to physically die is rejecting reality.  The Enlightenment student is taught to accept reality fully.

Well, almost everyone is weighed down by ego problems. And suicidal people also don't really want to physically die, they just want an end to their suffering and they think the best way to achieve that is to end their physical existence. 

People have actually experienced ego deaths during intense suffering, so much suffering that the only option is to let go of ego. In that sense, suicidal people who are extremely depressed are primed to let go of the ego. Most suicidal people probably don't even know of a thing such as enlightenment and ego death though.

So in a way, yes, suicidal people have a good chance of dropping the ego. On the other hand, suicidal people are usually so intensely caught up with their 'story' that a concept like 'enlightenment' probably hasn't even occurred to them. 

[Monkey-man]

suicidal ppl are more prepared to real tragedies of life such as death

watch melancholy by lars von trier, its a movie about depression and suicidal thoughts. in the end the depressed girl was the most prepared and confident towards actual apocalypsys than other people

[tatsumaru]

When you are accepting your death, what you are really accepting is some belief of what death is. I have seen a person die and I still have no idea what it is because I have no conscious information about it so there's nothing to accept or reject about it. If you are trying to reject it there's a problem of resistance, if you are trying to accept it there's a problem with beliefs. Thus neither reject it, nor accept it.

As for suicide - it's really born out of belief. In India people don't like to commit suicide because they believe in reincarnation and feel that it will solve nothing. In the western world we believe that suicide will solve it all so we like to commit suicide when things get really tough. What if suicide makes it even worse? Get stuck is some hell dimension? LOL!

I have considered suicide many times in the past so I can relate. Sometimes life can feel so dark and desperate or maybe you might have a tough mental or physical illness that turns you into a fucking vegetable and you just want to end it. As you realize that you will never reach all of your dreams and hopes the ego starts to suffer immensely, but don't run away from this feeling.

Jed McKenna said "Your moments of blackest despair are really your most honest moments, your most lucid moments...".
Why do you think that is? Because then you realize that your dreams and hopes are actually irrelevant.
In fact they were always irrelevant - stuff born out of your beliefs.

Tilopa said:
"Investment in samsara is futile; it is the cause of every anxiety.
Since worldly involvement is pointless, seek the heart of reality!"

The real suicide is waking up, not killing your physical body. The price of waking up is everything.
Let it all go - life, death, certainty, uncertainty, beliefs, knowledge, religion, hopes, dreams, fears, doubts, opinions, memories, esteem, aspirations, motivations, expectations, goals, enlightenment, non-enlightenment, meaning, meaninglessness, luck, fate, faith, destiny, identity, normalcy, craziness, fairness, unfairness, confusion, clarity, frustration, strategy, time, space, tactic, plot, cause, effect etc. (fill in the rest with whatever you identify with).

See... All of the dream is nothing, it's empty. It doesn't mean anything. Let your beliefs go and with your beliefs you will go as well. Completely surrender. Even the process of surrendering you should surrender. It's not to go somewhere or to become a god. It's to disappear. If you can disappear then why not try it? That's probably the most interesting thing to try period.
"Without the past, there would be nothing to think about, let alone someone to think it." - From the TV show Sens8

Tilopa said:
"A tree spreads its branches and puts forth leaves,
But when its root is cut its foliage withers;
So too, when the root of the mind is severed,
The branches of the tree of samsara die"