Martin Ball says physical reality is real

[Leo Gura]

@Carl-Richard But Martin clearly said that he believes in a distinction between dreams and the physical world.

We did not strawman him.

[Jirh]

53 minutes ago, Someone here said:

It’s a “hard problem “ for the materialist ,who assumes that the base reality is dumb matter , then he has to contend with how unconscious matter gives rise to conscious experience. 
but it’s not a hard problem at all for the idealist , and the mystic ,who knows that consciousness is base reality and not an epiphenomena . 

I'd be careful here. It's a hard problem for anyone who wants to arrive at truth.

I underlined and bolded two verbs in your comment.

What is the difference between knowing and assuming?

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Jirh said:

I'd be careful here. It's a hard problem for anyone who wants to arrive at truth.

I underlined and bolded two verbs in your comment.

What is the difference between knowing and assuming?

Thank you . 
I’m happy to explain . The materialist assumes that absolute base reality is fundamentally unconscious matter and energy . And then through some leap ,consciousness arises as an epiphenomena . Assumes  is the word because it is speculation . Not certain .

the awakened one knows  that consciousness is absolute base reality .  Because it is self-evident: it’s literally what’s absolutely true in your experience right now . 
You might ask : but where did consciousness come from ?  That question has a simple answer . Any questions and answers about consciousness would be an arising thoughts within consciousness. Therefore cannot encapsulate or explain consciousness because they ARE the very consciousness they try to explain .

So consciousness doesn’t have any explanation. Its absolute base reality and can’t be reduced to anything more fundamental.

[Jirh]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

the awakened one knows that consciousness is absolute base reality . Because it is self-evident: it’s literally what’s absolutely true in your experience right now .

I'm not so sure about this. I think it could be just as much assumption as the materialist position.

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Jirh said:

I'm not so sure about this. I think it could be just as much assumption as the materialist position.

You are conscious of your uncertainty about consciousness.

[Jirh]

Just now, Someone here said:

You are conscious of your uncertainty about consciousness.

Yes, there is an awareness of the uncertainty. So what?

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Jirh said:

So what?

That means awareness cannot be doubted for real . You can doubt it in theory ,verbally ,by saying the words “maybe awareness doesn’t exist “. But you can’t remove awareness experientially.

[Jirh]

Just now, Someone here said:

That means awareness cannot be doubted for real . You can doubt it in theory ,verbally ,by saying the words “maybe awareness doesn’t exist “. But you can’t remove awareness experientially.

But it can be doubted for real. For example, I can doubt your claim to a private conscious experience, just as much as you can doubt mine. Then we need to distinguish between consciousness as a thing (external reality) and being conscious (private experience). Then we're back at the hard problem of consciousness.

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Jirh said:

But it can be doubted for real. For example, I can doubt your claim to a private conscious experience, just as much as you can doubt mine. Then we need to distinguish between consciousness as a thing (external reality) and being conscious (private experience). Then we're back at the hard problem of consciousness.

You’re mixing two things:

- no , consciousness can never be doubted for real . Because doubt itself is consciousness.

- the solipsism vs realism question. Is a separate thing.

[Jirh]

18 minutes ago, Someone here said:

- no , consciousness can never be doubted for real . Because doubt itself is consciousness.

I actually illustrated how it can be doubted.

But I understand that you mean it can't be doubted from the inside out. The knife can't cut itself. But that doesn't mean it can't cut other objects, including knives. Consciousness can doubt consciousness from the outside in, which means it can doubt itself using thoughts.

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- the solipsism vs realism question. Is a separate thing.

They are closely related to the hard problem of consciousness.

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[Loveeee]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Carl-Richard But Martin clearly said that he believes in a distinction between dreams and the physical world.

We did not strawman him.

And there's more like at 45:15 he says there are objects behind our perceptions IRL unlike dreams 

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