Is Sadhguru a Charlatan?

[Ajay0]

The skeptical sri lankan scholar E.W.Adikaram , while visiting the famous sage Shivapuri Baba in his hut in a forest, reported seeing a wild leopard entering the hut and lying down beside Shivapuri Baba casually. 

For Adikaram and the british writer John Bennett, this incident was cited as proof of Shivapuri Baba's saintliness.

If this  is used as a criteria for saintliness, I would say Sadhguru's interaction with venomous snakes fulfils the same.

Sadhguru as a youngster used to catch and handle venomous snakes in urban areas  which used to terrify the adults around him, and let them loose in forests and jungles. There is a youtube of him similarly handling snakes.

This is not easy as it sounds, as it requires a calm mind and sound nerves to handle venomous snakes. Snakes are sensitive to vibes and any agitation in the human mind is enough reason for a life ending bite.

This is true in general for all animals and especially for snakes.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

Yes he did. You will not find these teachings on youtube but in his advanced courses. especially solipsism. people were freaking out.

A good teacher must be able to.explain away that this is a dream. Not to just introduce idealism over materialism but to understand that it is not made of atoms.  Leo's quantum mechanics videos debunking materialism are absolutely priceless.  So advanced course or no I dont think he would he able to match that 

Edited 59 minutes ago by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

Really sadhguru is a genius. He has built a true spiritual empire and goes head-to-head in debate with anyone. His Isha Foundation generates no scandals; it is scrutinized under a microscope by its millions of detractors, and the absolute worst they can come up with is an incident involving some elephants on a reserve.

When Sadhguru talks about enlightenment, he does so without error, but the problem arises when he says things like only he can protect us from demons, or that he knows the 65 universes, and that he is a Marvel superhero. Why does he say that? I suppose it's strategy, but it really works against him, it makes him look like a charlatan. What is the point of saying such things? Maybe in India due their culture that's an attractor, a tool to attract people to real spirituality.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Really sadhguru is a genius. He has built a true spiritual empire and goes head-to-head in debate with anyone. His Isha Foundation generates no scandals; it is scrutinized under a microscope by its millions of detractors, and the absolute worst they can come up with is an incident involving some elephants on a reserve.

When Sadhguru talks about enlightenment, he does so without error, but the problem arises when he says things like only he can protect us from demons, or that he knows the 65 universes, and that he is a Marvel superhero. Why does he say that? I suppose it's strategy, but it really works against him, it makes him look like a charlatan. What is the point of saying such things? Maybe in India due their culture that's an attractor, a tool to attract people to real spirituality.

When we zoom in we can see that this is ego. It is no different than Leo's alien claims. Don't get mad at me bud I think you are a brilliant teacher.  But this is why Gandalf did not want to possess the ring. It was too much power for even him.  And it would corrupt him.

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[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

When we zoom in we can see that this is ego. It is no different than Leo's alien claims. Don't get mad at me bud I think you are a brilliant teacher.  But this is why Gandalf did not want to possess the ring. It was too much power for even him.  And it would corrupt him.

The huge problem Sadhguru creates is that he makes analytical and non-conformist people view spirituality as a circus of clowns. Sadhguru only wants sheep people who believe he can go a year without breathing and who idolize him like a god.

That does a huge disservice to spirituality and is an insult to intelligence. He may be a genius, but that aspect of what he does is quite negative.

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The huge problem Sadhguru creates is that he makes analytical and non-conformist people view spirituality as a circus of clowns. Sadhguru only wants sheep people who believe he can go a year without breathing and who idolize him like a god.

That does a huge disservice to spirituality and is an insult to intelligence. He may be a genius, but that aspect of what he does is quite negative.

That's really bad. Really bad.  To not be conscious of corrupting yourself is irresponsible.  This is why Leo got out. He saw the corruption coming. And granted I only got to see this part of Sadguru because I'm too cheap to pay for any advanced courses. Plus I honestly didn't even know what spirituality was. I just knew that I was a jew.

Edited 39 minutes ago by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's really bad. Really bad.  To not be conscious of corrupting yourself is irresponsible.  This is why Leo got out. He saw the corruption coming.

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Do you think that sadhguru is a weak mind who has fallen in narcissism? I don't think so, everything is strategic for sells, sadhguru is a genius of business. You could say that he does for the sake of spirituality and business is a need, but the problem is the people who get interested in spirituality, then listen sadhguru and he's saying that he can making the trees bleeding 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you think that sadhguru is a weak mind who has fallen in narcissism? I don't think so, everything is strategic for sells, sadhguru is a genius of business. You could say that he does for the sake of spirituality and business is a need, but the problem is the people who get interested in spirituality, then listen sadhguru and he's saying that he can making the trees bleeding 

Corruption is the death of us all. I don't even know if i would have the strength to turn over the ring. Bilbo struggled to do it.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Corruption is the death of us all. I don't even know if i would have the strength to turn over the ring. Bilbo struggled to do it.

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

24 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Bilbo never said that he can making the trees bleeding 😅. It's too stupid to be corruption, it must be a kinda of strategy 

Anyway, maybe you are right, no one is invulnerable to corruption 

Edited 27 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Bilbo never said that he can making the trees bleeding 😅. It's too stupid to be corruption, it must be a kinda of strategy 

But Bilbo was a hobbit so he could live to well over a hundred. You're right. He stumbled onto the ring in Gollom's hole. But did you know that Gollum was smeagol before he became such a vile creature. He was a hobbit. So I think power gets the best of all of us. I don't think we should be too hard on Sadguru in hindsight

 But we have to be able to be smart enough to sort the wheat from the chaff 

Edited 24 minutes ago by Inliytened1

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

He is its own thing definitely, evidenced by my utterly weird description of him. All descriptions are of course partial, but we can still try.

 

Anything involving "seeking" (a search for the ultimate value, be it God, Consciousness, Love, etc.). You can of course again make a distinction between that ("spirituality") and "traditional" religion (allegiance to a specific traditional religion), but it's quite superficial when you consider again that the people act very much the same (they tend to hold beliefs they cannot currently verify, they seek out and engage in communities of likeminded individuals, and they very often take knowledge and inspiration from existing traditions).

 

New Age is basically what happens when you take somebody who grew up atheist or agnostic or skeptical of traditional religion and they rediscover the religious impulse but they can't pretend like Jesus is the only Lord and Savior.

Just because you can find similarities doesn't negate the massive differences imo, in terms of how the average populations within those crowds are. 

I could make more specific points, but I am a bit baffled ngl that you seem to consider average New Age person almost equivalent to average religious person; mostly thinking christianity and islam as that's what we encounter here in west. And I have barely even met any "New Age" people. 

There's so much I could say to this but many times I just hit a wall when I write, one reason is that I find I can't really argue using my "sensing abilities" or whatever, there's so much nuance to point out it's too much going on in my mind when reading stuff here in terms of what I can say, that sometimes nothing of it comes out. 

I have bought ticket to somatic event this month, ok so by your logic, the people in there should be similar to let's say the catholic festival I've passed by several times during summer vacation. Then I should expect feeling suffocated of connection, as I felt most of my time abroad.  

"seeking", as if the religious people "seek" rather than just take it as a given that their god is true. 

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[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But Bilbo was a hobbit so he could live to well over a hundred. You're right. He stumbled onto the ring in Gollom's hole. But did you know the Gollum was smeagol before he became such a vile creature. He was a hobbit. So I think power gets the best of all of us. I don't think we should be too hard on Sadguru in hindsight

 But we have to be able to be smart enough to sort the wheat from the chaff 

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

25 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Yeah, it's very possible that if their assessors tells to sadhguru that his rate or popularity (and money) is falling he adopt the expression of a demon and start saying "gollum" "gollum". Really no one is free of corruption 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

He is its own thing definitely, evidenced by my utterly weird description of him. All descriptions are of course partial, but we can still try.

 

Anything involving "seeking" (a search for the ultimate value, be it God, Consciousness, Love, etc.). You can of course again make a distinction between that ("spirituality") and "traditional" religion (allegiance to a specific traditional religion), but it's quite superficial when you consider again that the people act very much the same (they tend to hold beliefs they cannot currently verify, they seek out and engage in communities of likeminded individuals, and they very often take knowledge and inspiration from existing traditions).

 

New Age is basically what happens when you take somebody who grew up atheist or agnostic or skeptical of traditional religion and they rediscover the religious impulse but they can't pretend like Jesus is the only Lord and Savior.

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah, it's very possible that if their assessors tells to sadhguru that his rate or popularity (and money) is falling he adopt the expression of a demon and start saying "gollum" "gollum". Really no one is free of corruption 

Saruman was head of the white council i believe. So there was only Radagast and Mithrandir that remained. And Radagast just wanted to play with the animals.  

Tolkein was the real genius! What amazing work 

 

Edited 12 minutes ago by Inliytened1

[kavaris]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He was a hobbit. So I think power gets the best of all of us. I don't think we should be too hard on Sadguru in hindsight

 

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah, it's very possible that if their assessors tells to sadhguru ...

I had a dream bout these ancestral dwarves visiting me in one of these mining caves / dark misty mountain caves, as i was walking on a draw bridge inside of it, crying and being very much sad and not having a good time of it in these dark like, mushroom dreams or watever, but then the ancestral dwarves helped me up and slipped the pink ring of power on me, and there was a purple one too ~ as well as "the most powerful ring".... And i asked like "isnt there like 7 of these rings or something..."

Nd they were like, "Oh, you tlkin bout the 3 Rings made for the Elven-kings, 7 Rings made for the Dwarf-lords, 9 Rings made for Mortal Men, and 1 Ring for all the bind them or watever? No thats a fantasy, theres only three that we know of..."

I was like Hey thx wow, thats oddly specific, and the dwarves, and their rings did make me feel better... i mean i didnt have cancer or anything, but i appreciated watever was goin on in them misty mountains. So now i got a rotally diff vers of the lord of the rings happenin in my head via these weird dreams.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, kavaris said:

 

I had a dream bout these ancestral dwarves visiting me in one of these mining caves / dark misty mountain caves, as i was walking on a draw bridge inside of it, crying and being very much sad and not having a good time of it in these dark like, mushroom dreams or watever, but then the ancestral dwarves helped me up and slipped the pink ring of power on me, and there was a purple one too ~ as well as "the most powerful ring".... And i asked like "isnt there like 7 of these rings or something..."

Nd they were like, "Oh, you tlkin bout the 3 Rings made for the Elven-kings, 7 Rings made for the Dwarf-lords, 9 Rings made for Mortal Men, and 1 Ring for all the bind them or watever? No thats a fantasy, theres only three that we know of..."

I was like Hey thx wow, thats oddly specific, and the dwarves, and their rings did make me feel better... i mean i didnt have cancer or anything, but i appreciated watever was goin on in them misty mountains. So now i got a rotally diff vers of the lord of the rings happenin in my head via these weird dreams.

The road goes ever on.  You can get to the misty mountains but member the trolls shall be abreast. But you dined with the Dwarven lords. That is glorious. Did you brandish any of their steel. Did they unsheath for you. Those mother fuckers with their long beards

Yes. I would never want to run into one of those ringwraiths. They are slaves to the power 

 

[kavaris]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The road goes ever on.  You can get to the misty mountains but member the trolls shall be abreast. But you dined with the Dwarven lords. That is glorious. Did you brandish any of their steel. Did they unsheath for you. Those mother fuckers with their long beards

Yes. I would never want to run into one of those ringwraiths. They are slaves to the power 

 

I think there was brandishing happening at some point, but i was well lost in those caves, up high in the midair shafts~Like a winding track that goes up, down and back, but i was so emotionally falling apart, i didnt really take notice to wat was around me... i just finally went into the feedle position, nd it wasnt til they helped me up that i noticed i had cried myself into their cave system... or i think it was so giant, that it extended outside of their own tracks, like... They took a traincart thing to get to where i was, thats how far id wondered, and the tracks were high up in the mountain/cave

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