Posted 14 hours ago (edited) 17 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: @Carl-Richard I think this is a bit of an uncharitable interpret of OP 🤔 Does "rate of change" in this case not imply linear change towards a higher ground? What sense would it make to talk about the rate of change of something (consciousness) that goes up and down? "So guys today I changed really quickly between being very banana to being very orange to then very apple-y, ain't that amazing?" And yes I'm very done with people thinking they're special for having some spiritual high. And thinking other people are dumb, simplistic, lacking in depth, from their surface-level reading of them, perhaps somebody they haven't even met. Edited 14 hours ago by Carl-Richard Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ² Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 14 hours ago (edited) @Carl-Richard You have a right to your interpretation of the post and opinion. I won’t respond because I find no point. Agree to disagree! Edited 14 hours ago by Sincerity There is no way that things are. When you talk to me, keep in mind I’m a silly little kitty. :3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 hours ago (edited) @Carl-Richard rate of change has no vector It's like the differentiation between speed & velocity. Edited 13 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 13 hours ago (edited) A shift in mindset can do all this, i dont know what your mindset was your entire life before this. But probabilistically doing Basic math: 30 years of contracted mental state -> moves house -> shift in mental state 🧐 5-10% probability that the timing is purely coincidental Edited 13 hours ago by integral How is this post just me acting out my ego in the usual ways? Is this post just me venting and justifying my selfishness? Are the things you are posting in alignment with principles of higher consciousness and higher stages of ego development? Are you acting in a mature or immature way? Are you being selfish or selfless in your communication? Are you acting like a monkey or like a God-like being? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 hours ago 1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: @Carl-Richard rate of change has no vector It's like the differentiation between speed & velocity. omg duh, but in this context. Hello. He's talking about "exponential curve". There are some concepts by Hanzi Freinacht where he distinguishes between state, depth, complexity, and code. I feel very often people take state for almost everything (of course they will tell you in words that it's more complicated but their repeated behavior and actions tells otherwise) and especially discount depth. When you scoff at a 60 year old person who is kinda brash and rude as "not developed", you're discounting so much depth. It's like those teenagers who look at their parents like "they just don't understand meee", meanwhile they understand you 50 times over in a circle. Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ² Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 hours ago @Carl-Richard But then you went on to infer this was an attempt to dick wave? Obviously each case is context dependant. I take it your argument then, is that your interpretation was charitable? It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 hours ago (edited) @Carl-Richard It's all about sharing a direct experience and inviting others to share along. What is there to look down on about that? Edited 11 hours ago by cetus When the secret is revealed to you, you will know that you are not other than God, but that you yourself are the object of your quest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: @Carl-Richard But then you went on to infer this was an attempt to dick wave? Obviously each case is context dependant. I take it your argument then, is that your interpretation was charitable? "Attempt", it's more subtle than that. An offhand remark can tell you a lot even if it's not very deliberate. Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ² Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 hours ago @Carl-Richard It is still an inference. You didn't even ask further questions to qualify this inference. Hence, uncharitable. It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 hours ago 2 minutes ago, cetus said: @Carl-Richard It's all about sharing a direct experience and inviting others to share along. What is there to look down on that? "hehehe you guys know how all these normies are so dumb right, yeah, how not-dumb do you feel recently?". Put hyperbolically. Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ² Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: @Carl-Richard It is still an inference. You didn't even ask further questions to qualify this inference. Hence, uncharitable. It's a feeling. And it's not necessarily something the person is very aware of (what I'm judging them about). So asking them about it may not give much answers. Again, difference between deliberation and simply acting. I can tell you what I think and mind-read you without you knowing better than me, even if the feeling is based on scant evidence, or indeed the fact that it is a feeling and not a legal trial. It's just a feeling, but you may not even feel it. Edited 11 hours ago by Carl-Richard Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ² Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said: It's a feeling. And it's not necessarily something the person is very aware of (what I'm judging them about). So asking them about it may not give much answers. Again, difference between deliberation and simply acting. Yes so, uncharitable. This is uncharitable. You're making my point. It appears like bias. Edited 11 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 hours ago Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said: Yes so, uncharitable. This is uncharitable. You're making my point. It appears like bias. Can you define uncharitable? Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ² Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 hours ago Just now, Carl-Richard said: Can you define uncharitable? No. You know what it means. You know the context. You know what I mean. You are trying to wiggle your way out of owning your behaviour by redefining words. Not gonna play that game. Peace. It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said: "hehehe you guys know how all these normies are so dumb right, yeah, how not-dumb do you feel recently?". Put hyperbolically. What makes you feel that way? I saw what @Sincerity started here as inspiring to all members new and old. When the secret is revealed to you, you will know that you are not other than God, but that you yourself are the object of your quest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: No. You know what it means. You know the context. You know what I mean. You are trying to wiggle your way out of owning your behaviour by redefining words. Not gonna play that game. Peace. I'm literally uncertain about the word. Now you're being uncharitable ;( Honestly, I never use the word, I always found it a weird word, and it seems to have at least two separate meanings that are equivocal in this discussion. So feel free to engage with me 'charitably' and not simply mind-read me, if that is what is expected of people. In what sense was I being uncharitable? Was I just being too harsh in my portrayal, or was I not being open? Both? Something else? Do I ought to be charitable? Can I not simply share an opinion without performing a forensic interview of the person I'm referring to? Do i seem closed to discussing my opinion? Is perhaps the person in question the one who is closed to discussing it as per "I don't see the point in responding, agree to disagree"? And were they to discuss it, perhaps I would look less presumptive and you wouldn't be as likely to make this characterization? I guess why the word never made sense to me is because the idea of "being charitable" (like you're running a charity), like you're supposed to give something else than just your opinion, like something else than what you perceive is accurate and is the case, like being fake, makes no sense. "If I were to be charitable, I would of course say this thing which I actually think is not what I think". On the contrary, the greatest charity is giving exactly what you think is most accurately the case. Asking for anything else, you're not asking for what I think. Edited 7 hours ago by Carl-Richard Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ² Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 4 hours ago, cetus said: What makes you feel that way? I saw what @Sincerity started here as inspiring to all members new and old. On 4.11.2026 at 4:12 PM, Sincerity said: Would you say overall that you've experienced relatively a lot of change in baseline state in your adult life? Compared to others around you? I feel like most people have a rather low ceiling for how much change in baseline mode of existence they will go through in their life. That's fine ofc. I note these thoughts especially when looking at older people. Who in the vast majority aren't too developed. (There are exceptions of course.) Remove the padding and you have my sentence. But now you're making a big deal out of it. Like, can I not call out what I consider to be "low development" (I never use that term unless I'm forced to, it disgusts me) and people will consider me just a good ol' inspiring person? Can only "spiritual people" do that? Seems hypocritical. Edited 7 hours ago by Carl-Richard Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ² Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 2 hours ago I think the thread has run its course. I got some cool responses that inspired me. Thank you!!! I hope you got some inspiration from the thread too. Lockingggggg now 😛✌️ There is no way that things are. When you talk to me, keep in mind I’m a silly little kitty. :3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
