Discipline is evil

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Life cannot be properly lived by joy alone.

There are many painful and tedious things you must do to live properly which will not be joyful.

Butchering a chicken is not joyful but it must be done.

Butchering a chicken is Freedom, but it doesn't have to be done.

Painful things are made out of Love.

The highest Good is found through Joy, because Joy is TRUTH.

JOY, Love & Freedom. Everything else is not worth anything.

[vibv]

@AION Freedom beats discipline any day.

Freedom & Love leads to Beauty & Joy.

Discipline leads to suffering.

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, vibv said:

Butchering a chicken is Freedom, but it doesn't have to be done.

Painful things are made out of Love.

The highest Good is found through Joy, because Joy is TRUTH.

JOY, Love & Freedom. Everything else is not worth anything.

Your view is too utopian and will end in evil.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Mellowmarsh]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Life cannot be properly lived by joy alone.

There are many painful and tedious things you must do to live properly which will not be joyful.

Butchering a chicken is not joyful but it must be done.

Do you mean that we must imagine Sisyphus happy?

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Do you mean that we must imagine Sisyphus happy?

Imagine whatever analogy you like.

[vibv]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your view is too utopian and will end in evil.

Your view is too small and will end in its own destruction. Thank God.

[Mellowmarsh]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Butchering a chicken is not joyful but it must be done.

It must be done on earth as it is in heaven. As above so below. 
The highest Good is achieved by being innocently Evil.

Your loving father taught you everything you know. 

[Leo Gura]

You guys love to take profound insights I share with you and turn them into simplistic nonsense.

[Thought Art]

@vibv Try your theory for a year and get back to us. How does it work in your personal life? And in groups of people and community?

Joy can’t be truth because pain is also true. 

But, I think joy is a good indication of truth when joy comes from consciousness and the higher self. But, some find joy in evil. So, I think your position is too flabby and thin to hold up. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Thought Art

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

It’s all nonsense, that’s why it doesn’t make sense. Or, it’s all perfectly sensible and makes sense to this infinite sensibility.

[Thought Art]

I think Truth is more like an infinite field of potential, which is an infinite possibility space withdifferent sensations, logics, physics, types of time and absolute qualia. It’s THIS, the whole bubble of experience. Saying Truth is joy, isn’t completely true. Even so, when the field awakens to itself Joy, truth, consciousness is natural because the void completely loves itself beyond human comprehension. The void, and infinitely intelligent void space is self aware and intelligent. But, it’s True-ness is in its self illumination and strange loop ness. It is TRUTH.
 

Then, in the finite domain of human existence Truth is more just how things are right now. Truth is how reality really is, including your self deception. But, also the difference between your self deception and the true way of the “physics” and “metaphysics “ of this reality. There are truths in domains, like business, art, human relationships, community, governing, economics, etc. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Thought Art

[vibv]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You guys love to take profound insights I share with you and turn them into simplistic nonsense.

You will see. I can guarantee you, it's not what it seems.

[vibv]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

@vibv Try your theory for a year and get back to us. How does it work in your personal life? And in groups of people and community?

Joy can’t be truth because pain is also true. 

If it's not Joyful, it is out of Love. And finally out of complete Freedom, which is another word for Truth, Love & Beauty.

Everything else is an illusion that has us trapped here. You will understand very soon.

I'm working.

[Salvijus]

For a goal to be achieved a certain amount of energy need to be dedicated and concentrated into that direction. The higher the goal the more vigilant(disciplined) you have to be not to leak your energy to unintended directions. There's nothing inherently good or evil about dedication, commitment, vigilance and discipline. But these qualities play a role if you want to achieve anything in life. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Salvijus

[vibv]

@Salvijus Discipline is the use of force to control your energies, when a more beautiful way lies in transforming your life into a playful Dance, that’s being danced seriously.

Discipline is Okay, but not Beautiful, if it doesn’t come from Love—that’s the real importance.

Only Love has the Power to transform.

Only such a Dance together can move enough Beauty to transform this world truly.

Truth is absent in this world. To solve this we need to live our own TRUTH in Freedom. That creates Beauty. Beauty that will transform this earth into a Dancing Star.

ONLY YOU KNOW YOUR OWN TRUTH

Never live the truth of someone else. That’s your true responsibility.

[Salvijus]

13 minutes ago, vibv said:

Discipline is Okay

 

[Salvijus]

Unconditional love demands unconditional devotion. And devotion is a form of discipline. 

✝️ 

[Harikrishnan]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Discipline cannot be viewed as a single axis. That is why my original quote mentioned four key areas of discipline that people suck at that leads to evil.

Yes, Hitler was disciplined, but not in those 4 key areas. Hence the evil.

@Leo Gura Where can I read the quote on 4 key areas

Edited 1 hour ago by Harikrishnan

[vibv]

Truth doesn’t exist here! We first have to create it!

The only way is through Beauty, that comes from Love & Freedom.

But FREEDOM out of all of them is the most important one.

Edited 1 hour ago by vibv

[vibv]

6 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Unconditional love demands unconditional devotion. And devotion is a form of discipline. 

✝️ 

But not devotion to something! That’s wrong.

Only devotion to Lofe itself, that’s synonymous with FREEDOM!