Truth vs Duty

[Jirh]

It's a tricky issue.

But there are ways around it, like deflection when pressed for truth that contradicts duty. You can choose to deflect by being vague while still honoring truth.

There are other ways too, but it's hard to list them. You learn them with time and experience of this exact tension.

Bottom-line is you don't have to abandon truth for duty/survival. You just have to learn enough to outsmart survival without sacrificing truth.

Edited 6 hours ago by Jirh

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Willy Phallicus itchy 

[Willy Phallicus]

/yawn

Isn't there another guy you could be harassing right now?  Whats the matter? Too single?

[Salvijus]

@Willy Phallicus @Natasha Tori Maru you guys should get a room. 

[Willy Phallicus]

13 minutes ago, Jirh said:

It's a tricky issue.

If you're a loving family man and your neighbor down the street is breeding an orc army in his basement like sauron to kill you, your family and all the other good people on your street then I guess you could say you have an obligation or duty to arm yourself and fight the orc army.

But to imply that anyone is obligated to sacrifice for the greater good because the majority thinks that's a real good idea is a different story.

[Willy Phallicus]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

you guys should get a room. 

Yeah that'll be a hard pass for me, thanks.

[oOo]

@Willy Phallicus rejecting conformity doesn’t refute responsibility. You’re derailing the discussion with a victory lap around an argument you haven’t made; you're a reward centre that's chasing its own tail as a substitute for reality, not its confrontation. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

@Willy Phallicus @Natasha Tori Maru you guys should get a room. 

I'm booking it right now 😄

[Willy Phallicus]

2 minutes ago, oOo said:

rejecting conformity doesn’t refute responsibility.

What does that even mean?  You can't have it both ways.  You can't be non conformist and then go join the coalition of non conformists.  

4 minutes ago, oOo said:

You’re derailing the discussion with a victory lap around an argument you haven’t made;

I did win.  Nobody proved that I owed them something.  That includes the agencies and apparatuses that extort me like I owe them something.

Let me put it this way.  Its my duty to tell you I aint signing up for anyone elses vision of what duty is.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Willy Phallicus in all seriousness, you know your answers aren't contributing much quality here.

The context of the thread and question is very clear. 

Stripping out context and disagreeing with the frame is why your statements are just - blah.

[Salvijus]

19 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Yeah that'll be a hard pass for me, thanks.

Not to make love, but to argue and fight. Although conflict does bind people together really well 🫂 

13 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I'm booking it right now 😄

Haha, how can anyone have a problem with you... 

Edited 5 hours ago by Salvijus

[Willy Phallicus]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

in all seriousness, you know your answers aren't contributing much quality here.

*In your opinion*  Its not enough to just say it.  Tell me how thats the case.  Im right on topic and you're the derailing negative element here so what does that tell you?

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The context of the thread and question is very clear.

Yes, Truth and how it relates to duty.

Truth trumps duty every time and in almost every case duty will hinder you from the truth so let go of the attachment and do whats best for you and your evolution because its if its the last thing society gives a fuck about its you evolving above them.

Tell me how Im wrong or go the hell away.  Stop coming at me with these pointless accusations while you ignore my argument entirely.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

 

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Haha, how can anyone dislike you... 

I am glad you you returned to pop in with the great soundbytes 

[Joseph Maynor]

@Nercohype Hmm?  Okay.  

[oOo]

 

20 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

What does that even mean? 

And yet you're a scholar on Plato? We all believe you.

13 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

You can't have it both ways.  You can't be non conformist and then go join the coalition of non conformists.  

I did win.  Nobody proved that I owed them something.  That includes the agencies and apparatuses that extort me like I owe them something.

Let me put it this way.  Its my duty to tell you I aint signing up for anyone elses vision of what duty is.

I’ve made myself clear. I care about what readers take away from this as readers are impacted by the advice on the forum; confidence is no substitute for understanding. That’s why I challenge Leo, too. I welcome genuine dialogue. Your victory ceremony can proceed without me. Readers can judge between proper argumentation and digital twats for themselves. Best of luck with Plato.

[Willy Phallicus]

16 hours ago, Nercohype said:

But what if you were born into a duty to protect your people, and you were destined to become their king?

You walk away from it because being a king to your people comes at the expense of being a kingdom unto yourself.

16 hours ago, Nercohype said:

What if breaking that duty meant putting your family, your loved ones, and your entire nation at risk?

Family and loved ones are in a different category.  I dont consider it my duty to love and take care of them, it is my honor and privilege to do so.

The nation and we the people can go screw themselves.

16 hours ago, Nercohype said:

Would you still pursue the truth, knowing the price could be everything you care about? Is the truth still worth it then?

It doesnt matter because its all going to be taken away from me anyway.  Immortality isnt a thing here.  Lets suppose I was the truth I was seeking and upon remembering it forged my soul and liberated my spirit and then I found out I can create a world where Natasha is super cool and not passive aggressive at all.  What you would pay for that?

Id give my life for that.

[Willy Phallicus]

14 minutes ago, oOo said:

And yet you're a scholar on Plato? We all believe you.

Did I make such a claim? Ive read Plato but I guess I missed the obvious wide open hypocrisy in his commentary that you wont elaborate on for some weird reason.  I wonder why that might be?

Pretty sure its personal responsibility not social although those two can align at times.

14 minutes ago, oOo said:

I’ve made myself clear. I care about what readers take away from this as readers are impacted by the advice on the forum; confidence is no substitute for understanding. That’s why I challenge Leo, too. I welcome genuine dialogue. Your victory ceremony can proceed without me. Readers can judge between proper argumentation and digital twats for themselves. Best of luck with Plato.

Well since your such an expert then you must know about the bronze souled people right?

Why wouldnt you since you are obviously one of them.

Edited 5 hours ago by Willy Phallicus

[Jirh]

49 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

If you're a loving family man and your neighbor down the street is breeding an orc army in his basement like sauron to kill you, your family and all the other good people on your street then I guess you could say you have an obligation or duty to arm yourself and fight the orc army.

But to imply that anyone is obligated to sacrifice for the greater good because the majority thinks that's a real good idea is a different story.

That's an example of survival vs. duty.

Interesting, but not exactly on topic.

Edited 5 hours ago by Jirh

[Salvijus]

27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

I am glad you you returned to pop in with the great soundbytes 

🪷🦋 

I've noticed you're very easy to connect with on the astral plane. That last exchange was wholesome. Thank you. 

[Willy Phallicus]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I've noticed you're very easy to connect with on the astral plane. That last exchange was wholesome. Thank you. 

Looks like that room might come in handy after all.

Im happy to have played a hand in it.