Hyper Normalisation.

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Back to topic. 

👍🏻

[Breakingthewall]

22 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

it's not meant as personal self. I think if the teacher speaks from genuine place, has the presence (

On 16/10/2026 at 1:23 PM, Sugarcoat said:

 

Sure he's true and he's a spiritual man, I'm not. But I have a mind much more sharp than his mind, then I understand what is the mind, what is the self and what is the absolute, because I can open myself to the absolute totally more or less easily, but in the most part of the day I'm trying to improve in business, dating girls looking for a girlfriend, learning economy, doing sports and trying to give my best in this life, what's not easy because everything trends to the superficial, narcissist and not alive life 

22 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

If someone is "confused" if enlightened person doesn’t use the most precise language, seems to me they're not perceiving so clearly where teacher is speaking from as they are focused on the words......

If he's speaking the content is essential, I don't care about his aura, maybe he emanates an aura like holy because he's autistic.

The topic of enlightenment is totally clear and clearly explainable, you don't need to look a saint, the absolute is everything, not only the hermits who meditate whole day.

Those ideas like: you can't say the absolute, etc, are bullshit to appear special. You neither can say the colour red, except to anyone who already has seen the colour red. The absolute is the unlimited , and the unlimited is because it's unlimited, and you are that, the unlimited manifesting as a Knower, then the absolute knowing itself. Where is the problem? Totally simple, but doing it is not so simple, you have to breaking your limits. 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:25 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

16 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

How so ?

On 16/10/2026 at 1:23 PM, Sugarcoat said:

 

Because knowing that the self is illusory instead of real is knowing that the self is a) and is not b). Knowing any structure, any category, is a structure of the self.

Enlightenment is the breaking of any structure, the openess of yourself to the absolute. The absolute is unlimited, period. Its not real and the self false, the self is an structure that arises in the unlimited because it's possible, it's not real or illusory, it just is. 

Then if you categorize the self as unreal, it's the self labelling itself as unreal. It's a barrier that encloses you, a total mistake if your goal is enlightenment because keep you inside of the structure 

[Breakingthewall]

21 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Pointless point.

Opposite, read again because it's essential. Try to understand or if you don't agree explain why, then we can talk about the topic 

What I said was this: "The point is being open to the unlimited nature of this, not knowing that there is only this"

What I meant is that knowing that there is only "this", or "one", or "self illusory ", are realizations of the structured mind. Are flat, not alive, are an structure. 

Being open to the unlimited is not an structure, is being open to what reality is, to it's quality, to its power and harmony that arises from the fact of being no limit,.to the unlimited life that arises from the openess. It's looking your true face, what you are. It's not "someone", it's unlimited, open, but this implies everything.

Then you will understand that ultimately anything is the unlimited appearing as a possibility that is possible, but understanding this is not important, what is important is being open to what you are because otherwise you are exiled in the dead desert of the limited

Edited yesterday at 12:11 PM by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

18 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure he's true and he's a spiritual man, I'm not. But I have a mind much more sharp than his mind, then I understand what is the mind, what is the self and what is the absolute, because I can open myself to the absolute totally more or less easily, but in the most part of the day I'm trying to improve in business, dating girls looking for a girlfriend, learning economy, doing sports and trying to give my best in this life, what's not easy because everything trends to the superficial, narcissist and not alive life 

"Oh look at me, I'm such a mystic, I can open myself any time, I don't even need psychedelics anymore, and I got shit going for myself at the same time, vs you bitch, who can't even land a job, who's too shy to talk to guys your'e attracted to and is stuck in the head all the time.....but yet somehow I feel some dead Indian yogi is competition" 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

18 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If he's speaking the content is essential, I don't care about his aura, maybe he emanates an aura like holy because he's autistic.

🤨☠️😂

18 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The topic of enlightenment is totally clear and clearly explainable, you don't need to look a saint, the absolute is everything, not only the hermits who meditate whole day.

Those ideas like: you can't say the absolute, etc, are bullshit to appear special. You neither can say the colour red, except to anyone who already has seen the colour red. The absolute is the unlimited , and the unlimited is because it's unlimited, and you are that, the unlimited manifesting as a Knower, then the absolute knowing itself. Where is the problem? Totally simple, but doing it is not so simple, you have to breaking your limits. 

 

I get your logic

Edited 10 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Mellowmarsh]

18 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

To hypernormalise means to live in a state where everyone recognizes that a system, institution, or society is broken, corrupt, or fake, yet everyone continues to act and carry on as if everything is completely normal because they cannot imagine an alternative.

Shared Awareness: Everyone knows the truth—that the leaders are lying, the rules are hollow, or the institution is failing.

Performative Compliance: People go through the motions and play their assigned roles anyway.

Lack of Alternatives: A collective imagination fails, making it impossible to envision or push for a different way of living.

Apathy and Paralysis: The disconnect between reality and daily pretense leads to emotional detachment, resignation, and the feeling that "nothing ever changes.

[Mellowmarsh]

18 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then if you categorize the self as unreal, it's the self labelling itself as unreal

Category error.

Needs deconstructing to reach clarity, good luck with that one. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Oh look at me, I'm such a mystic, I can open myself any time, I don't even need psychedelics anymore, and I got shit going for myself at the same time, vs you bitch, who can't even land a job, who's too shy to talk to guys your'e attracted to and is stuck in the head all the time.....but yet somehow I feel some dead Indian yogi is competition" 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

It's no competition with the yogi, it's just that Ramana maharshi is a mess as a teacher, he's useless. He's full of contradictions, and the biggest bullshit of all: the teaching by presence.

Look at this: as I'm peaceful holy enlightened I'm going to transmit you enlightenment , then when you ask me any question, I will look at you in silence 8 minutes and then I will say: namaste. Then you will get so impressed that maybe you will get enlightened or anything better. And then I will say that I can enlighten a cow and that my mother did mashamadi and she is out of the wheel of reincarnations. 

Imo logic is better, enlightenment is the breaking of the limits of the psyche, not anything else. Then can be defined, explained and reasoned, if you have an IQ over 80

Edited 7 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

To hypernormalise means to live in a state where everyone recognizes that a system, institution, or society is broken, corrupt, or fake, yet everyone continues to act and carry on as if everything is completely normal because they cannot imagine an alternative.

A human sistem or a society that is corrupted or fake is precisely the norm. The other possibility is what is called utopia, and don't exist.

Edited 7 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

A human sistem or a society that is corrupted or fake is precisely the norm. The other possibility is what is called utopia, and don't exist.

Oh boy!

[Mellowmarsh]

45 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's no competition with the yogi, it's just that Ramana maharshi is a mess as a teacher

I’m sure you’ll stand in for the position of the perfect cleaner. No worries. 😌 

[Wilhelm44]

On 10/17/2026 at 1:57 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Because knowing that the self is illusory instead of real is knowing that the self is a) and is not b). Knowing any structure, any category, is a structure of the self.

Enlightenment is the breaking of any structure, the openess of yourself to the absolute. The absolute is unlimited, period. Its not real and the self false, the self is an structure that arises in the unlimited because it's possible, it's not real or illusory, it just is. 

Then if you categorize the self as unreal, it's the self labelling itself as unreal. It's a barrier that encloses you, a total mistake if your goal is enlightenment because keep you inside of the structure 

We can get pedantic about it, or we can just say that no self is a doorway. Plain and simple.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

We can get pedantic about it, or we can just say that no self is a doorway. Plain and simple.

What supposedly is the self according non duality?

[Wilhelm44]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What supposedly is the self according non duality?

I don't know if there's an official definition.

Like when we were babies, there was no sense of self.

At some point a sense of me comes online.

Jim would say there's a contracted energy in the body.

(That contracted energy might also be what fall's away in Adyashanti's so called awakening of the gut.) 

An I that takes personal ownership of thoughts and emotions. Believes itself to be the thinker and in control.

An I which feels incomplete/separate and believes itself to be a character on a linear timeline towards fulfillment.

But wholeness is already the case. Right in front of our noses. Closer than close. Too simple to notice.

That I (personal ownership of thought/emotions, feeling incomplete/separate, sense of being a character on a linear timeline towards fulfillment) can 'fall away.'

Personality remains. Preferences remain. Survival instincts remains. Behavior and preferences can go through gradual changes of course.

@Mellowmarsh  Will be able to give you a more accurate description of what exactly it is that 'falls away.'