Hyper Normalisation.

[Joseph Maynor]

The normalization of fantasy has become a problem.  

[VeganAwake]

On 10/5/2026 at 6:57 AM, Breakingthewall said:

You are the eye of the reality and the reality itself.

Sure bud, 

So why can't you guess correctly how many fingers I'm holding up behind my back?

It's certainly not because you are the eye of reality 😆

It's because that body is limited, just like every other creature.

The difference is you are identified as "the thinker" and have a wild imagination superimposing the same conceptual stories onto reality over and over again.

If you stopped believing these concepts, this entire belief system would collapse.

[Mellowmarsh]

9 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

The normalization of fantasy has become a problem.  

Why has the normalisation of fantasy become a problem to you? Can you elaborate? 

[Mellowmarsh]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

After that there is not more "divine mystical glorious light of God blah blah", there is the unlimited and you are that, and divine and mundane are exactly the same. This now is the unlimited happening, and it's power is total, it's perfection absolute, and this is totally normal, is what reality is. 

It’s not just the unlimited happening though is it? The body is limited, it has an absolute expiry date along side the animating feature which also expires same time as the body.

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Sure bud, 

So why can't you guess correctly how many fingers I'm holding up behind my back?

It's certainly not because you are the eye of reality 😆

It's because that body is limited, just like every other creature.

This idea is too complicated for you but let's try. The reality isn't a lot of things, it's the unlimited being that manifest itself into forms. Any form is the same than another, all are the same unlimited being, it's the reality. Then if the unlimited being sees itself, doesn't mean that it sees all the possible forms, that is irrelevant, are just forms. 

It's like saying that you can't see yourself in the mirror because you are not working of repeating thousands times that the self doesn't exist or killing an old woman to steal her bag, then you are not seeing yourself in the mirror, you should do all the things that you could do and see them . 

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s not just the unlimited happening though is it? The body is limited, it has an absolute expiry date along side the animating feature which also expires same time as the body.

Yes the body expires , the day also, the summer is ending and the year not far. Reality manifest into change, because absence of change is not a manifestation. 

You as a human can perceive your unlimited nature. It doesn't mean that you as a human with your memory and that are unlimited, but that what you ultimately are is. When you die, there is not "after", or maybe yes but probably not, but it's exactly the same, the reality is and you are that. 

[VeganAwake]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

This idea is too complicated for you but let's try. The reality isn't a lot of things, it's the unlimited being that manifest itself into forms. Any form is the same than another, all are the same unlimited being, it's the reality. Then if the unlimited being sees itself, doesn't mean that it sees all the possible forms, that is irrelevant, are just forms. 

It's like saying that you can't see yourself in the mirror because you are not working of repeating thousands times that the self doesn't exist or killing an old woman to steal her bag, then you are not seeing yourself in the mirror, you should do all the things that you could do and see them . 

It's definitely an interesting belief. 

That's just the ego mind though.

It doesn't like the idea of death, so it creates or acquires any belief in which it never dies. (Religion/Spirituality) 

I saw through this ego strategy long ago. 

Ego mind = matrix 

 

[VeganAwake]

The very entity entertaining these beliefs, isn’t actually real. It's a self illusion or ego mind.

Look very closely at that which believes. 

[Mellowmarsh]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You as a human can perceive your unlimited nature. It doesn't mean that you as a human with your memory and that are unlimited, but that what you ultimately are is

That which appears to perceive its unlimited nature.Never perceived.
The perceived is known and the known knows nothing.
A drop in the ocean is the ocean.

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-10-06 at 9:29 PM, Breakingthewall said:

The experience subjective is the reality appearing as an experience subjective. 

In other words, at a certain point, due to the existence of a biological organism, shaped by evolution, that distinguishes between "inside" and "outside" and preserves itself, a model of the inside/outside interaction is created. This model functions ceaselessly, processing information from the external world while simultaneously recalling the past and predicting future possibilities.

This is the mind, and within that mind emerges the "self",.the center or subject that receives experience. This self remains constant while experience changes; thus, a timeline is created through contrast. This is not an illusion; it is a real structure. It does not happen merely to a few humans prone to illusions, but to 100% of humanity.

Through meditation, you reach a state of detachment where the only solid elements remaining are the subject-object structure. You dwell there for a while, and at a certain moment, the subject and object lose their boundaries; it is no longer "experience" or "consciousness", it is simply the reality. There is no sensation of being conscious, the concept of "being conscious" loses all meaning, there is only reality. (Obviously, the underlying structure is still there, but its boundaries have dissolved phenomenologically. It is as if there were no structure at all. If literally no structure remained, there would be nothing capable of registering the experience, and you could never remember it afterward.)

There is no timeline or succession of events. Well, technically there is, but mentally you have detached from it; everything merges, and no structure remains. Reality becomes absolute, a boundless state of pure existence, period.

At that point, the Absolute recognizes itself through the reflective structure that constitutes the self. This is a relatively normal occurrence, something you can achieve daily with training. What is far more extraordinary is the so-called "mystical experience" that have to happen before that the dissolution become let's say normal: a moment when reality detonates like a nuclear bomb, vaporizing your mind's entire circuitry.

Only total light remains; in that instant, your heart opens, your chains shatter, tears fall and you surrender your ego completely. I suppose this is a sort of function of the human operating system that occurs when openness to the limitless happens repeatedly but not totally , meets with resistance; at a certain point, the resistance crosses a threshold, and in doing so, the system that is the mind recalibrates itself instantly and permanently.

After that there is not more "divine mystical glorious light of God blah blah", there is the unlimited and you are that, and divine and mundane are exactly the same. This now is the unlimited happening, and it's power is total, it's perfection absolute, and this is totally normal, is what reality is. 

What I marked, is kindaaa where I'm at. And from this state, the rest of the descriptions is quite simple to follow. The one occasion I took 5 meo, and then very few other instances, I've been briefly in no-self state (or almost, as I seemed to have felt tiny minuscule center still present somehow), but I also would describe it quite simplistically. I don't relate to some of the super fancy complicated descriptions I see sometimes, but I also don't assume it's the same for everyone.

Edited yesterday at 09:19 AM by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

On 8/10/2026 at 11:16 AM, Sugarcoat said:

What I marked, is kindaaa where I'm at. And from this state, the rest of the descriptions is quite simple to follow. The one occasion I took 5 meo, and then very few other instances, I've been briefly in no-self state (or almost, as I seemed to have felt tiny minuscule center still present somehow), but I also would describe it quite simplistically. I don't relate to some of the super fancy complicated descriptions I see sometimes, but I also don't assume it's the same for everyone.

5-MeO can shatter the centrality of the self. The first time it happens, it feels like an extremely traumatic, bizarre event, like blasting something solid apart with dynamite.

In my opinion, repeatedly shattering the self with 5-MeO tends to soften it. The problem arises if you introduce mystical interpretations; essentially, it is simply breaking the centrality of the self, which then reconstructs itself.

By observing this process over time, the self gradually becomes more flexible. However, the goal is to achieve this without 5-MeO, because the substance involves a significant element of violence, of something forced, and a large part of the self defends itself by concocting stories.

[Breakingthewall]

On 8/10/2026 at 9:46 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

That which appears to perceive its unlimited nature.Never perceived.
The perceived is known and the known knows nothing.
A drop in the ocean is the ocean.

What is the difference between appears or really is?

[Breakingthewall]

On 8/10/2026 at 5:39 AM, VeganAwake said:

The very entity entertaining these beliefs, isn’t actually real. It's a self illusion or ego mind.

Look very closely at that which believes. 

This exact moment is the absolute. It should be obvious right? Absolute implies that there can't be anything out of it, then this is the absolute because can't be anything else. 

You could say: there is not absolute, everything is relative. Sure, as form, but what ultimately is that relative form? What is the source of every form? Why there are forms? 

What is your explanation? Try it. 

[Mellowmarsh]

53 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What is the difference between appears or really is?

Difference is irrelevant. Appearing real is an interpretation. What is really is unless it’s interpreted as such?
Was yesterday real, maybe yesterday was real, but where is the realness of yesterday today?

The reality of our experience is fluid. We can all experience real reality, there are just a lot of different ways of interpreting it.

 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Was yesterday real, maybe yesterday was real, but where is the realness of yesterday today?

The idea of yesterday is real, as an idea. It's a cloud of processes that is happening now. 

Yesterday happened or not? It's irrelevant, now the idea of yesterday is happening, and it's real. Absolute being means that being is absolute, not that there is a being who is absolute. Then, choose, relative perspective or absolute?

Relative: yesterday happened, and now I'm remembering it. Is it an hallucination that any god is inventing? I don't think so, but even it is, there was a previous cause, a "yesterday", so there is causality and past. 

Absolute: the idea of yesterday is. Hallucination or reality is meaningless, the content is irrelevant, now the reality is, and that's everything. Remove all form, open yourself to the fact of being, then you will see your true face. 

[kavaris]

You know whats weird, "im going to the store" isnt in the future tense, cause its happening/being said, presently  speaking, as a statement from the present (present progressive) where as, "im at the store now" is the simple present tense... So its like, the present makes sense, until we start saying "im gonna be going..." Like, we start saying, we will be there, and suddenly its like, what are we talking about... i e., "im going there tomorrow"... Yesterday is alot easier, cause its like "that happened, and im done... we dont need to talk about it... even if it dont exist... even if it never happened ("what?"), cause grammatically speaking, it happened, and we dont care." Lol. Iuno thats how i think of it.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

The idea of yesterday is real, as an idea.

Who’s aware of the idea?  If you say I’m aware, the I who was born and will die. The I that appears and disappears, never to reappear ever again.
Then that which seems to appear and disappear, is an illusory real.
Illusory doesn’t mean that you never happened at all, because illusions can never not happen. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mellowmarsh

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Who’s aware of the idea?  If you say I’m aware, the I who was born and will die. The I that appears and disappears, never to reappear ever again.
Then that which seems to appear and disappear, is an illusory real.
Illusory doesn’t mean that you never happened at all, because illusions can never not happen. 

What does "being aware" mean? What does "I" mean? The fact of being aware is not "someone"; it is a self-reflective structure that occurs within the flow of forms.

Ultimately, the one who is aware is reality itself, and it is aware of reality itself. The specific local structure is transient, but the fact that a self-reflective structure is possible is permanent. That possibility will always exist.

You, I, a rat, or your cats are different configurations of the fact of self-reflection. The self created within those structures has various possible configurations, yet it remains an seemingly unchanging subject that registers a changing process of becoming.

Subject and object are the same reality; it is the structure that creates consciousness. Yet this does not mean it is not real; the fact of being aware of being does occur. Who is aware and the object of awareness are the same: the absolute fact of being manifested as the fact of being aware of itself.