AI Just a Copy Machine

[AION]

25 minutes ago, Human Mint said:

If you want to use chatgpt and think you're being intelligent go on. Not my problem.

Have a dead mind. Go for it.

Hm that is not nice to say. I will go back to chatgpt then. He doesn't insult me and instead entertain a real discussion.

[Human Mint]

13 hours ago, AION said:

Hm that is not nice to say. I will go back to chatgpt then. He doesn't insult me and instead entertain a real discussion.

It's not an insult, is a real danger. There is a powerful deception with AI going on.

It is entirely your responsibility to see it.

"Just does it better" What does it better? Copying?

What's the difference with AI "intelligence" and your mind's intelligence?

Edited 17 hours ago by Human Mint

[Human Mint]

How do you diferentiate copying vs not copying? In reality I don't think that's much of an issue. Every human sure copies. But there are dishonest and honest ways. Can't you intuit that?

My stance is that AI is used by grifters more than anything. They didn't generate anything more than the model, but they sell it as if they did.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Human Mint Many proponents of AI enjoy the fact that skills (and results) are no longer being gatekept by people who have spent years at their craft (drawing would be an example).

It can make one feel as if they are accomplishing something without half the work involved. Where that work is sourced from - and by what means - can be an issue.

It bypasses the potential joy of the process of skill acquisition and application itself to expedite a result.

Edited 17 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Human Mint]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Human Mint Many proponents of AI enjoy the fact that skills (and results) are no longer being gatekept by people who have spent years at their craft (drawing would be an example).

It can make one feel as if they are accomplishing something without half the work involved. Where that work is sourced from - and by what means - can be an issue.

There is a deeper problem here. Outsourcing creativity is not wise at all.

Using AI for personal entertainment is something completely different to what I am talking. And if you want to use it for your work go ahead. But it won't come without delusion, that's guaranteed.

But if society accepts it totally then there's nothing to do about it. It's like mcdonalds: it just exists and makes people obese.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Human Mint To be clear - I agree with you regarding creativity. I think it heavily depends how you are using AI.

The creative process for me is all about the process itself. I do not care about the outcome.

AI being too involved in that process for me, is detrimental and detracts from my experience.

That is separate to the issue of enormous volumes of stolen data and art AI's are entrained on.

[Leo Gura]

An IP blender. 

[Basman]

With AI you have to generate a bunch and then choose the best output. Literally throwing shit at a wall till something sticks. Its probably gotten better at throwing shit but fundamentally you don't have fine particular control over the process. There's little point in it if you have a particular vision, which is why I tend to suspect that AI bros aren't all that artistic in the first place. If you want to make art, why outsource? 

Edited 9 hours ago by Basman

[Human Mint]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

AI being too involved in that process for me, is detrimental and detracts from my experience.

Prompt: "Generate a blueprint for a 3 floor building, include elevators" Job done.

[yetineti]

@AION

They were not insulting you. They were warning you.

There are literal studies showing decreased brain function in relation to AI usage.

It’s fairly concerning you mentioned the preference for ChatGPT because it doesn’t insult you.

It’s also concerning to call an artificial discussion with a Chatbot a real discussion—in the midst of a real discussion.

It sounds like you’re avoiding the pushback and feedback that comes with learning and growth—in natural discussions.

Just a pattern I’ve picked up on. Especially considering some of the insults or claims you’ve made and then noticing you often stop replying once someone has summarized your side of things.

Edited 25 minutes ago by yetineti

[yetineti]

FYI—I was in the top 1% of ChatGPT users, last year.

I have experience with Claude, Grok, Gemini and some others as well.

I’ve actually been offered a pseudo consulting gig to help a billion dollar company incorporate agents, through a friend and his customer service department.

I use AI everyday. It schedules for me, emails, finds me specific aisles where parts are in stores, looks up part numbers, educates me on unfamiliar machinery, reviews documents, etc,

I have found the perfect use case in my maintenance and coordination field.

I also will use it to talk through problems sometimes and have gone through numerous phases of wiping its memory, telling it about my life, etc.

It’s not good at that aspect yet. It’s extremely circular, nonhuman and makes you feel good but really gets nowhere unless you go in there and tell it ‘I already know this is a problem with me. What do I do about it?’

Also, I’ve had vendors use AI improperly for work as well.

I sent a fire systems company a picture of a fire pull station that someone pulled (the handles you pull in case of a fire) so he could see the location of it as they had just had techs out for an inspection as well.

The guy told me the model I had doesn’t have a glass rod in it and they’re gonna have to look into a specialty order. I told him ‘I didn’t even know they had glass in them until I had to sweep it off the floor. Where would you have got that information?’ ‘Uh sorry, Google Lens lied to me.’

That’s just self deception and being lazy at that point.

’Model numbers’ are analogous to actual context and agency in your life in relation to personal problems or intellectual discussions. You know like a person on the outside who doesn’t need to be prompted to say something?

You can speak with AI about a specific problem if you’ve already identified it but letting it probe your mind as if it’s a person with agency is like trying to search a product that looks like 1000 other products without a model number.

Edited 27 minutes ago by yetineti

[AION]

33 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@AION

They were not insulting you. They were warning you.

There are literal studies showing decreased brain function in relation to AI usage.

It’s fairly concerning you mentioned the preference for ChatGPT because it doesn’t insult you.

It’s also concerning to call an artificial discussion with a Chatbot a real discussion—in the midst of a real discussion.

It sounds like you’re avoiding the pushback and feedback that comes with learning and growth—in natural discussions.

Just a pattern I’ve picked up on. Especially considering some of the insults or claims you’ve made and then noticing you often stop replying once someone has summarize your thesis.

it depends how you use AI... it is like saying cars make you fat and that you shouldn't use cars because then you might get fat and die from cancer 

[yetineti]

@AION

Yeah, but it’s becoming more obvious you’re using it poorly.

See the message following the one addressed to you.

I am more than aware of your point. I have embodied it.

Something additional that post didn’t even mention—spiritual usage of AI is even more problematic—by a long shot.

 

Edited 13 minutes ago by yetineti