Changing our Minds about Nonduality

[Willy Phallicus]

Nonduality should enhance your duality experience, not negate it.  Many use nonduality as a way to escape from duality.  If only it worked.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Willy Phallicus said:

Nonduality should enhance your duality experience, not negate it.  Many use nonduality as a way to escape from duality.  If only it worked.

That maybe true in your personal assessment, but I personally have never viewed nondualism as a form of escapism. 
In fact the opposite was recognised to be true in that there was the stark realisation of no way to escape or disappear through some hidden trap door. That this was inescapable. So for me it’s both liberating and terrifying at the same time.

 

[Breakingthewall]

Spirituality consists of opening yourself to the limitless, living source of reality and becoming one with it. It is something absolutely real, yet it cannot be defined or structured.

All that talk about non-duality is merely philosophy; it remains within the conceptual mental structure. The distinction between the self being illusory or real is simply a matter of definition. The self is the self, period; its classification doesn't matter. What matters is its essence, what reality is in its essence.

Btw, that affirmation that says that only one between 5 million can understand non duality is a proof of the level of fake and pathetic elitist history that non duality is. Do you believe special because you understand jim Newman? Wow. Others feel special because are MAGA. Others because they believe that are god. Many special people everywhere 

[Hyperion]

14 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, as already stated up thread, every word describes.

Right on... just thought I'd give my old favorite record another spin, just to be safe (and because I know how much you love those spinning records, hehehe).

[cetus]

I often shift from duality to nonduality for various reasons. Most of you probably do too.

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

Right on... just thought I'd give my old favorite record another spin, just to be safe (and because I know how much you love those spinning records, hehehe).

I didn’t mean to hate on the image, it’s just my style of weird expression when the Terrapin Station record was mentioned it prompted me to post that image because it was just what came to mind. Certain words trigger me to play the clown that’s all. I don’t mean to be disrespectful, and if I was I apologise.

[Mellowmarsh]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Btw, that affirmation that says that only one between 5 million can understand non duality is a proof of the level of fake and pathetic elitist history that non duality is. Do you believe special because you understand jim Newman? Wow. Others feel special because are MAGA. Others because they believe that are god. Many special people everywhere 

Try not to take this too seriously. I openly admit I’m just a parroting idiot repeating stuff I’ve read somewhere as if I believed it. I’m a poser. No big deal.

And no I don’t think I’m special, but at the same time it’s true, not many people grasp what non duality is pointing to, my god even you must agree with that, how many people have you met in your lifetime who fully understand nonduality?

[Hyperion]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

I don’t mean to be disrespectful, and if I was I apologise.

Lol wut? What on earth made you think that I was in any way offended?

Listen... I may be a grump, but I am not that much of a grump. 😂

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Hyperion said:

Lol wut? What on earth made you think that I was in any way offended?

Listen... I may be a grump, but I am not that much of a grump. 😂

I was just surprised you posted it here, like you were trying to make a point to me, so I just put 2 and 2 together and came up with 7

[Mellowmarsh]

27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Btw, that affirmation that says that only one between 5 million can understand non duality is a proof of the level of fake and pathetic elitist history that non duality is. Do you believe special because you understand jim Newman? Wow. Others feel special because are MAGA. Others because they believe that are god. Many special people everywhere 

Btw, you need to simmer down and not get too enraged with bitterness toward all things Nondual, it’s teachers and teachings, especially religious god idolising self serving indulgent fests, especially metaphysical and maga stuff .

We’re all born into the same loony bin here, including me and you. Just try to laugh more. That usually helps. It’s just not worth getting hung up on. I don’t take anything that comes out of my mouth seriously, I just love the sound of my own squawks like the best of us. 

[Hyperion]

17 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

so I just put 2 and 2 together and came up with 7

 

[Mellowmarsh]

@Hyperion Nothing ever had to make sense. 

[Miguel1]

50 minutes ago, cetus said:

I often shift from duality to nonduality for various reasons. Most of you probably do too.

Currently going through this shift

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Miguel1 said:

Currently going through this shift

First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is.

[Willy Phallicus]

56 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

That maybe true in your personal assessment, but I personally have never viewed nondualism as a form of escapism. 

Be that as it may, there are definitely people who go to the extreme with it as a way to avoid something.

58 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

In fact the opposite was recognised to be true in that there was the stark realisation of no way to escape or disappear through some hidden trap door.

Wellllll nothing is imp....no, no you're right.  There's nowhere to go as the hardcore nondualist will remind you funnily enough.

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

So for me it’s both liberating and terrifying at the same time.

It is both a blessing and a curse to be called to life.

[Mellowmarsh]

9 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Be that as it may, there are definitely people who go to the extreme with it as a way to avoid something.

Imagine trying to avoid yourself. That’s not a liveable experience, obviously. Nonduality has had its day,the very thought of it has to be the most stupidest idea ever conceived by the human mind. Even the invention of a mind is bizarre, it’s all weird and there are no answers or even questions anymore because silence and unknowning is the only true reality. 
 

Knowing anything is still met with the problem of who knows that will NEVER be known. 
 

We have no other choice but to live as though we know. The lie must be true.

Edited 6 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Mellowmarsh]

There’s no cure for death, everything is one day going to shrivel up like a salamander in the midday sun. Your blessed bliss will not protect you from the horror that is burning to death when the sun eventually swallows the earth. 
 

We are nothing special, in fact the dinosaurs must have had a more superior sense of importance considering the millions of years they ruled the earth, now it’s time for your extinction, so enjoy while it lasts, if you dare.

Edited 6 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Wilhelm44]

@Mellowmarsh  I'm not done yet, but I felt to comment on what I've picked up in the video so far:  Critiques from the speakers:

- there's a kind of fundamentalism in the way nonduality describes reality. (I didn't hear them mention radical nonduality yet.)

- excessive focus on self negation or self denial, ie there's no one here etc

- Tim says for him it's more about affirming you rather than negating you, ie the individual with all it's quirkiness actually comes more to life.

 

My comments so far:

For me radical nonduality is just like a doorway really, it woke me up to the fact how much I have been identifying with conditioned thoughts as literally being me.

It simply got me to see what's here, what's always been here, which can't be named, because it's not a concept.

I can't deny that certain aspects of self have fallen away. But personality doesn't fall away. Although there are changes in behaviour. I'm definitely not going around telling people that they don't exist.

And I agree with Tim, one actually becomes more alive.

As far as the fundamentalism part goes, I think listening to Jim types and Emerson types is actually a good combo.

Emerson is very much about unfolding and a freedom from any ideas about freedom etc.

I wanted to post underneath the video: please can you have Jim or Emerson on your show, would be interesting.

So I found it a bit ironic that she only allows subscribers to comment.

(I found the same with James Swartz (Vedanta teacher) who's doing all these critique videos about various spiritual teachers, including Leo, but only members can see those videos. It's like if we wanna have a proper conversation, we need to have a two way thing.)

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Mellowmarsh]

18 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

So I found it a bit ironic that she only allows subscribers to comment.

Yeah it’s all starting to get a bit clubby, like if you’re not a member you’re not allowed in. Members only videos now have to pay to get access to the information. It’s always about the money, that’s why I can’t be arsed being a content creator. It starts to get too competitive which is not how I roll. 
 

Too many people are jumping on this nondual bandwagon nowadays, so I think too many is plenty enough. 😶

[Mellowmarsh]

@Wilhelm44 Thanks for your interest and feedback though. I appreciate your views on this subject topic.