energy is more important then I thought

[Olaf]

I am starting to notice a change in energy in my game. Yesterday and today I have been approached by a girl. I have never been approached 2 days in a row by a girl and the main thing that has changed is my energy. I feel a little bit more alpha, probably thanks to Zenterus who I went out with on friday. Yesterday I went out with 2 wings and the girls responded much more positive from the very start of the conversations, I was able to open a 3 set as my first approach and the 3 girls responded very receptive and willing to participate and instead of bailing as I mainly do in the first approach, I just felt chill and talked to them for 3 minutes.

Then I had some british girls I talked to and they couldn't stop flirting with me and my wingmen, we talked for like 15 mins. They were more of a flirt then me, but one had a huge red flag to me. Her ex boyfriend killed someone in Den Haag (another city in the Netherlands) so she is wearing an ankle bracelet so that the police can track her. You never know who you meet, my gut feeling was also not good about them, even tho they were flirting more with me and my wing then I have ever seen any girls do. Also one of the british girls called me "scary" but almost in a shit test kind of way as she still was flirting, like it was the weirdest thing ever, I mean scary is atleast better then nice. I tried to exaggurate how scary I am which helped a little bit, don't know what else I could have done, maybe just be non reactive and say "Okay". 

My wing all of a sudden closed 5 insta's, which was crazy to me, normally he max closes 2. I didn't close anything as I didn't even tried to close. He said he saw some infield of Ton Torrero that helped him allot, that now he is closing almost every set, in this case 5 out of the 7, so I might have to watch some of that content he bought. Btw for context this was all happening between 21:00 till 23:00 not really night game or day game. Anyways and then I opened a group of 3 girls with "You guys are spanish retards" it was funny, because I got my 2 wingmen into the set and they didn't know what my opener was, so they came in so friendly it was hilarious. Only after the set I told them and they were like "you opened with that! I can't believe that worked". Approached some German girls but my wing wasn't coming in and I was waiting for him to come join, so I bailed the set, I helped him with what Zenterus helped me with the day before which was mainly about congruence and it being okay to not feel fun for a second if you are honestly not feeling it. He went up to have some boring conversations on purpose and his mask started to drop a little.

After that exercise he approached a girl with "you are tired" and she was responding to him, he walked further while talking and she was yelling positive engaging shit to him and he was yelling back while walking further, back and forth. And I was like "dude she likes you" and he thought she was not and I was like, omg again those inner game shit that I have sometimes where you think she is not interested when she clearly is. It is interesting to see the same pattern happen by your wing as you realise like, shit so this is what I do myself. Later on he realised he fucked up, but it is always too late when you realise it.

I realised that I can open with anything, I am just saying what comes to mind which is a bit funny to me and I try to not put her too much on a pedestal. The only thing I avoid in openers is saying something bad about how she looks, looks are a no go, outfit is a bit of a grey area as it is a choice in fashion rather then it being about her body. I still make this mistake sometimes, but try to avoid it as best as you can also during a conversation, it is a no go. My intention was to just go out anyways, I was tired and didn't felt like approaching much, but that is okay and actually even tho I only approached 4 sets, I did it with way better energy, much louder at the stop, more masculine vibe and authentic, very chill. Even my wing men today said my energy was better and the conversations went better. So energy is huge, I don't think I have seen so much evidence of it as in these 2 days. Tomorrow I will go out for my fourth day this week, last week I went out 4 days aswell, which is a bit too much probably. I might do a report about it under this post, depending if I learn something new or something useful and valuable for you guys. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Olaf

[Jirh]

It strikes me as strange how some girls respond to nonsense signals that don't really mean anything in reality.

Like I get it, high energy and good vibes feel good and everything (in the moment). I'm not against that. But it's like a very superficial unconscious metric that really doesn't tell anything about the person underneath.

The whole interaction feels like marketing more than anything. Just make your product look shiny and loud to capture attention. Craft a good looking package, so fools will buy it regardless of what's on the inside.

I mean if I was a girl, this type of thing would never work on me. But then again, marketing doesn't work on me either. My mind doesn't even register ads. It filters them as spam automatically.

And honestly, more than anything, this is telling about the quality of the girls who respond to these gimmicks. I wouldn't want a girl like that in my life.

P.S. Don't get discouraged by my ramblings. If this is working for you, more power to you.

[Olaf]

@Jirh think about it this way, we guys fall for the marketing of woman, we are as foolish as they are. They pretend to be nice, innocent and put on make up. Sometimes even clothes that makes them more seductive and get guys turned on and will seduce you. And it is easy to miss red flags, especially when you are a horny dog. Like some guys would still have gone for the girl with the ankle bracelet that I talked to, because she is an 8 looking girl, but then they get shot by that ex boyfriend the next month. I don't think woman are stupid per say, guys are as stupid and I have fallen for the wrong woman too. What I learned is to listen to your gut feeling, it almost never fails. I had a bad gut feeling the first time on a date with my ex who did some messed up shit, but I didn't listen to it and a few months later in some dramatic fight I broke up with her. Since then I trust that gut feeling without needing any proof of evidence. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Olaf

[Jirh]

@Olaf

Sure. All that makes sense.

But still, survival is different for men and women. So men and women have different survival strategies.

Women seduce us in order to make us invested in them and stay for as long as possible, not just fuck and leave (which is what happens naturally without investment). That makes sense from a strategic survival standpoint. Because we can't get pregnant, but women can and most of them want to rear children. And this is serious and dangerous. And a girl who doesn't take it seriously is low quality because she doesn't understand what she's doing or why. And she will likely end up a single mom or tossed around. And this happens because she doesn't filter for character, but for excitement and fun, which is fine for a short term casual relationship, but wrong for a long term commitment.

So if a girl filters based on vibe, then she's probably just looking for quick sex. And that signals to me that she's not high value or has options. Because if she was high value or had options, she wouldn't settle for "vibes", she would want the whole package.

I don't know. But to me, these kinds of girls reek of low value.

Edited 14 hours ago by Jirh

[Olaf]

@Jirh My question for you would be, would you date a woman with a burqa on? Not knowing how she looks, but she sounds kind and commited to God? Probably not, so why you expect woman to do the same with men? Your personality and energy is simply the looks and beauty that men fall for, in fact sometimes as a men you also fall for a womans energy.

Edited 13 hours ago by Olaf

[Jirh]

52 minutes ago, Olaf said:

@Jirh My question for you would be, would you date a woman with a burqa on? Not knowing how she looks, but she sounds kind and commited to God?

I wouldn't date her even if she was a 20/10 🤣

My standards instantly disqualify anything religious.

But I get your point about personality.

And yes, I would definitely date a girl with mediocre looks if she had other qualities like a great mind, work ethics, ethics in general, self-knowledge, mothering qualities, etc...

Why? Because I know from experience that attraction based on compatibility grows over time. So, I will be more attracted to her everyday, and if she's a 6 she will look like a perfect 10 for me in the end. Literally my perception changes and I start preferring her exact looks.

52 minutes ago, Olaf said:

Probably not, so why you expect woman to do the same with men? Your personality and energy is simply the looks and beauty that men fall for, in fact sometimes as a men you also fall for a womans energy.

Yeah, I think low quality men filter for looks only.

[Joseph Maynor]

I was talking to a friend the other day about why women like guys on stage.  We tend to think it has to do with social status.  But he said the reason is because they think they know you.  He said most women tend to view guys they do not know as creeps.

[Olaf]

@Joseph Maynor no it is social proof. Even having a wing is sometimes more social proof then alone, but especially if there are girls that want to be around you or listen to you, that is not about status as it is just about seeing that other girls want you, one girl for social proof is enough. Its like a sheep with a flock, one sheep goes, no one goes, 10 sheep goes now all the other sheep join. Or why in a relationship all of a sudden all the girls start to be nice to you. I remember in high school how girls started to be so much nicer to me after I had a girlfriend, it is all about social proof and the idea of going out is that you build social proof in the club by talking to everyone, instead of standing there with your beer approaching no one. Or you can merge sets, but that is still too advanced for me.

[Zen LaCroix]

17 hours ago, Olaf said:

I am starting to notice a change in energy in my game. Yesterday and today I have been approached by a girl. I have never been approached 2 days in a row by a girl and the main thing that has changed is my energy. I feel a little bit more alpha, probably thanks to Zenterus who I went out with on friday. Yesterday I went out with 2 wings and the girls responded much more positive from the very start of the conversations, I was able to open a 3 set as my first approach and the 3 girls responded very receptive and willing to participate and instead of bailing as I mainly do in the first approach, I just felt chill and talked to them for 3 minutes.

Then I had some british girls I talked to and they couldn't stop flirting with me and my wingmen, we talked for like 15 mins. They were more of a flirt then me, but one had a huge red flag to me. Her ex boyfriend killed someone in Den Haag (another city in the Netherlands) so she is wearing an ankle bracelet so that the police can track her. You never know who you meet, my gut feeling was also not good about them, even tho they were flirting more with me and my wing then I have ever seen any girls do. Also one of the british girls called me "scary" but almost in a shit test kind of way as she still was flirting, like it was the weirdest thing ever, I mean scary is atleast better then nice. I tried to exaggurate how scary I am which helped a little bit, don't know what else I could have done, maybe just be non reactive and say "Okay". 

My wing all of a sudden closed 5 insta's, which was crazy to me, normally he max closes 2. I didn't close anything as I didn't even tried to close. He said he saw some infield of Ton Torrero that helped him allot, that now he is closing almost every set, in this case 5 out of the 7, so I might have to watch some of that content he bought. Btw for context this was all happening between 21:00 till 23:00 not really night game or day game. Anyways and then I opened a group of 3 girls with "You guys are spanish retards" it was funny, because I got my 2 wingmen into the set and they didn't know what my opener was, so they came in so friendly it was hilarious. Only after the set I told them and they were like "you opened with that! I can't believe that worked". Approached some German girls but my wing wasn't coming in and I was waiting for him to come join, so I bailed the set, I helped him with what Zenterus helped me with the day before which was mainly about congruence and it being okay to not feel fun for a second if you are honestly not feeling it. He went up to have some boring conversations on purpose and his mask started to drop a little.

After that exercise he approached a girl with "you are tired" and she was responding to him, he walked further while talking and she was yelling positive engaging shit to him and he was yelling back while walking further, back and forth. And I was like "dude she likes you" and he thought she was not and I was like, omg again those inner game shit that I have sometimes where you think she is not interested when she clearly is. It is interesting to see the same pattern happen by your wing as you realise like, shit so this is what I do myself. Later on he realised he fucked up, but it is always too late when you realise it.

I realised that I can open with anything, I am just saying what comes to mind which is a bit funny to me and I try to not put her too much on a pedestal. The only thing I avoid in openers is saying something bad about how she looks, looks are a no go, outfit is a bit of a grey area as it is a choice in fashion rather then it being about her body. I still make this mistake sometimes, but try to avoid it as best as you can also during a conversation, it is a no go. My intention was to just go out anyways, I was tired and didn't felt like approaching much, but that is okay and actually even tho I only approached 4 sets, I did it with way better energy, much louder at the stop, more masculine vibe and authentic, very chill. Even my wing men today said my energy was better and the conversations went better. So energy is huge, I don't think I have seen so much evidence of it as in these 2 days. Tomorrow I will go out for my fourth day this week, last week I went out 4 days aswell, which is a bit too much probably. I might do a report about it under this post, depending if I learn something new or something useful and valuable for you guys. 

Why do you think 4 days is too much?

[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, Olaf said:

@Joseph Maynor no it is social proof. Even having a wing is sometimes more social proof then alone, but especially if there are girls that want to be around you or listen to you, that is not about status as it is just about seeing that other girls want you, one girl for social proof is enough. Its like a sheep with a flock, one sheep goes, no one goes, 10 sheep goes now all the other sheep join. Or why in a relationship all of a sudden all the girls start to be nice to you. I remember in high school how girls started to be so much nicer to me after I had a girlfriend, it is all about social proof and the idea of going out is that you build social proof in the club by talking to everyone, instead of standing there with your beer approaching no one. Or you can merge sets, but that is still too advanced for me.

Something about being on stage makes you immediately way more attractive to women.  I'm trying to explain this phenomenon.