How do you lock a woman in to where she isn't thinking about anyone else but you?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

You must sit back and laugh at us a lot

I just think a lot of the guys here are under-socialized and haven't had a really quality, deep and healthy long term attachment with a strong and put together woman with healthy love attachment.

I also think dating apps are horrible and fucked up a whole generation. And many of the younger crowd have this dynamic they have grown and learned through.

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

My fan is back! Always popping in JUST to pay me some attention. Didn't contribute in any way but to talk to me 

This was how I understood the framing of the thread. Not to capture or try to use force. But to have her be so seduced by the thought of you she will come willingly - through healthy dynamics (and for the man to be so seduced by the dance also). I answered the question not from any sort of low consciousness perspective, where one might leverage a woman via attachment issue exploitation, codependency etc. But from the perspective of two highly conscious agentic individuals, mature with their shit in order - coming together to create something beautiful between them.

Being able to physically please a woman (body and soul) relies on fully listening to her and willingly taking direction - especially in bed. So it can be a proxy for a good man who pays attention. Quality of attention. That matters.

Listening is a challenge for everyone.

Im paying lots of attention now. I'm all ears.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I just think a lot of the guys here are under-socialized and haven't had a really quality, deep and healthy long term attachment with a strong and put together woman with healthy love attachment.

I also think dating apps are horrible and fucked up a whole generation. And many of the younger crowd have this dynamic they have grown and learned through.

Well shit. That is becsuse they are extremely hard to come by.  And if you are lucky enough as a man to grab her while she is available you have to seize the moment.   So..its almost like winning the lottery for us.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well shit. That is becsuse they are extremely hard to come by.  And if you are lucky enough as a man to grab her while she is available you have to seize the moment.   So..its almost like winning the lottery for us.

I mean fuck - I think we learned different social dynamics and play because of a different environment.

3rd spaces are disappearing, drinking is on the decline, everything can be delivered. We are atomized in our tiny environments with entertainment on tap. Getting out of the house for to something to do was more common. I mean how often was it we were bored and chilling, sex would fill up a whole afternoon! Distractions are everywhere now, lowering our quality of attention. We can get food delivered - groceries. All of these missing elements were situations where you could potentially meet that someone.... All opportunities. These are growing less and less for future generations. So, they learn through the savage world of dating apps that bring out poor behavior to try to get ahead. It isn't like this for everyone - but it is for many.

It is only logical than men go for PUA / cold approach and all manner of cerebral methods to try to understand. And they end up learning the wrong thing because the world of social media and dating apps is nothing like navigating a real man or woman. It creates a weird as fuck gamified artificial dynamic that leads to poor conclusions for both sexes.

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I mean fuck - I think we learned different social dynamics and play because of a different environment.

3rd spaces are disappearing, drinking is on the decline, everything can be delivered. We are atomized in our tiny environments with entertainment on tap. Getting out of the house for to something to do was more common. I mean how often was it we were bored and chilling, sex would fill up a whole afternoon! Distractions are everywhere now, lowering our quality of attention. We can get food delivered - groceries. All of these missing elements were situations where you could potentially meet that someone.... All opportunities. These are growing less and less for future generations. So, they learn through the savage world of dating apps that bring out poor behavior to try to get ahead. It isn't like this for everyone - but it is for many.

It is only logical than men go for PUA / cold approach and all manner of cerebral methods to try to understand. And they end up learning the wrong thing because the world of social media and dating apps is nothing like navigating a real man or woman. It creates a weird as fuck gamified artificial dynamic that leads to poor conclusions for both sexes.

Fascinating.  Well.  Lucky for us there is still some good ole fashion sex in the afternoon.   And we can have more sex now that we can order in our groceries.

[AION]

*Delulu intensifies* 🤣🤣🤣

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AION Some more attention for you - here 

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@AION Some more attention for you - here 

So let's get real for a minute.  Not that we haven't been. But lets really take a dive into the deep end for a second. . What does it take to keep you truly satisfied? Its definitely attention.  I am hearing lots of that and I get it. But also it would have to be the physical connection that we would share. It all goes together. Now should one of those things be lost I'm not saying we couldn't survive.  But it would be really good to have both.  Both the physical and the emotional connection.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

17 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

So let's get real for a minute.  Not that we haven't been. But lets really take a dive into the deep end for a second. . What does it take to keep you truly satisfied? Its definitely attention.  I am hearing lots of that and I get it. But also it would have to be the physical connection that we would share. It all goes together. Now should one of those things be lost I'm not saying we couldn't survive.  But it would be really good to have both.  Both the physical and the emotional connection.

For me it is both.

Emotional and physical connection. Communication is always essential but this comes down to listening and paying attention. It isn't hard to remain connected with those two elements in play. Maturity & negotiation skills. Someone who doesn't freak out at the first sign of conflict. Can calmly assess, remove themselves when too charged up. Understands their own needs - this is huge. If you don't understand yourself you won't be able to communicate shit because you will just transmit all the wrong shit to your partner.

Sex is sacred. I can't personally go without it. And I won't ever lie to placate a mans ego. I'll tell them when it aint' right. And I want to know that the man is satisfied also. Negotiate what we can and meet in the middle. Compromise and invest. If the sex dies there is something wrong with the emotional and cerebral connection. I view it like a barometer for the relationship. Quality over quantity. When women do not want sex, outside of a physiological issue or genuine asexuality - something is amiss. I speak in general here. Tiredness, just not in the mood etc are genuine reasons not to want to fuck - I am not saying to give it up no matter what. It's about the overall pattern. It is if there is a change in her. Suddenly wanting no sex. Not ever getting turned on like she used to etc.

I recognize we age. We slow down. Things change. I accept and change with them. Always checking in on myself, my man, and the relationship. All three need to thrive. Sometimes one of us needs to take on more work. Sometimes less. Good times, hard times - as long as what we create together is worth it and the trajectory is up. When one person gives up on themselves, me or the relationship - doom.

Edited 58 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[AION]

Wtf 😳 

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, AION said:

Wtf 😳 

 Can we clone her?

[Inliytened1]

31 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

For me it is both.

Emotional and physical connection. Communication is always essential but this comes down to listening and paying attention. It isn't hard to remain connected with those two elements in play. Maturity & negotiation skills. Someone who doesn't freak out at the first sign of conflict. Can calmly assess, remove themselves when too charged up. Understands their own needs - this is huge. If you don't understand yourself you won't be able to communicate shit because you will just transmit all the wrong shit to your partner.

Sex is sacred. I can't personally go without it. And I won't ever lie to placate a mans ego. I'll tell them when it aint' right. And I want to know that the man is satisfied also. Negotiate what we can and meet in the middle. Compromise and invest. If the sex dies there is something wrong with the emotional and cerebral connection. I view it like a barometer for the relationship. Quality over quantity. When women do not want sex, outside of a physiological issue or genuine asexuality - something is amiss. I speak in general here. Tiredness, just not in the mood etc are genuine reasons not to want to fuck - I am not saying to give it up no matter what. It's about the overall pattern. It is if there is a change in her. Suddenly wanting no sex. Not ever getting turned on like she used to etc.

I recognize we age. We slow down. Things change. I accept and change with them. Always checking in on myself, my man, and the relationship. All three need to thrive. Sometimes one of us needs to take on more work. Sometimes less. Good times, hard times - as long as what we create together is worth it and the trajectory is up. When one person gives up on themselves, me or the relationship - doom.

This is amazing stuff. So appreciated. Yes I couldn't agree more.  Not freaking out during conflict is a huge thing for me.  It's just so hard to find precisely the right partner. Especially as we age like you said. It becomes more difficult to meet the right person. But not impossible.  You're right though. I think the dating apps have turned into pure garbage.  There is nothing good there.

Edited 31 minutes ago by Inliytened1

[Joseph Maynor]

17 minutes ago, AION said:

Wtf 😳 

I agree.  This thread is just weird.  

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

I agree.  This thread is just weird.  

Why?

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Why?

This is not real relation.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is not real relation.  

What is for you? 

It is quite individual, this is my own experience of myself, my past, and dynamics that have enriched me and worked ( that I speak from ).

Edited 19 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joseph Maynor]

11 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

What is for you? 

It is quite individual, this is my own experience of myself, my past, and dynamics that have enriched me and worked ( that I speak from ).

If I haven't met someone in person, it is not a real relation for me.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joseph Maynor we aren't trying to date each other in this thread... 

We are describing real face to face relationships.

Edited 6 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru