Matrix and freedom

[tvaeli]

It's that: you have right for your matrix, let them build their because it's controlled by thermodynamics, not your investment - your investment grants yours. We have to somehow manage society.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

No person is denying their sense of self doesn’t exist, I mean that’s impossible simply because the pain and suffering still arises anyway, so there must necessarily be something that is aware of these sensations , it’s not as if these sensations are suddenly going to stop arising just because some human being has transcended the illusion of separation, no, the sensations are still going to arise, and the human being is able to recognise that these sensations are not personal anymore, that’s all. No human being I know is denying the sense of self doesn’t actually exist, that’s just another sensation that cannot not exist because it’s simply known to exist, but not to any one personally, that’s all, because we’re all subject to the same pain and suffering, just as we’re all breathing the same air, and bleeding the same red blood.

I think that the "anyone personally" is what arises due or genetical programming, it's not an illusion, it's something that happens, something realtive. You can recognize yourself as not fundamental as a self, just something that happens in the process of being human. The problem is calling it illusion, it's very confusing because implies anything else more real. 

When Newman and the neo advaita say that nothing have happened, nobody never existed, it's just wrong, the self exist and the process that is happening too. It's not essential, not the center of reality, it's just an arising that's happening and you can see yourself as something relative, not absolute, then open your focus. But if you deny the self as false you get in a mental mess imo 

[Mellowmarsh]

44 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think that the "anyone personally" is what arises due or genetical programming, it's not an illusion, it's something that happens, something realtive. You can recognize yourself as not fundamental as a self, just something that happens in the process of being human. The problem is calling it illusion, it's very confusing because implies anything else more real. 

When Newman and the neo advaita say that nothing have happened, nobody never existed, it's just wrong, the self exist and the process that is happening too. It's not essential, not the center of reality, it's just an arising that's happening and you can see yourself as something relative, not absolute, then open your focus. But if you deny the self as false you get in a mental mess imo 

Okay I understand your concerns about certain words being confusing. Like the word ( illusion) 

But the word can be something interpreted as not exactly “nonexistent”, but rather, just not as it seems or appears to be. Personally I don’t have a problem with the words “ illusory or nothing” they’re just symbolic representations of the same reality that cannot be refuted or negated as nonexistent, because there’s no such experience as nonexistence, which you already know of course.

 

I don’t personally think there’s anything wrong with using certain words that appear to be the wrong words to describe reality because many are just different words for the same thing really, they can be interpreted to mean different things to different people, or situations. It’s just different that’s all, but ultimately difference where there isn’t any, as there’s only one reality, and we’re all sharing and being that one reality.

[Joseph Maynor]

You don't ever lose your ego or "finite self" completely.  You have to figure out how your" higher teachings" interface with your life.

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You don't ever lose your ego or "finite self" completely.  You have to figure out how your" higher teachings" interface with your life.

Yeah well that’s just stating the obvious. People of the actualised.org ilk already know that anyway, especially if they’ve been paying attention to their higher inner teacher. 

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yeah well that’s just stating the obvious. People of the actualised.org ilk already know that anyway, especially if they’ve been paying attention to their higher inner teacher. 

I disagree,  I am not stating the obvious.  But we disagree anyway, so I have no desire to argue with you further here.  

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I disagree,  I am not stating the obvious.  But we disagree anyway, so I have no desire to argue with you further here.  

Shut up then. 
 

That’s the difference between me and you, you shut people down, you shut them off, you demand to be blocked and close off all communication channels.
You take things too personally, you have a stubborn tendency to look for an argument , it’s your mentality,  whereas as I don’t do that with other people, I’m open to other people, not closed off, or shutting them down, that’s just not who I am, that’s not how I groove.

[Someone here]

@Joseph Maynor  @Mellowmarsh

the best solution for you guys is divorce 😂

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Joseph Maynor  @Mellowmarsh

the best solution for you guys is divorce 😂

Love. 

[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Joseph Maynor  @Mellowmarsh

the best solution for you guys is divorce 😂

I thought we had one lol.  

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I thought we had one lol.  

No, you thought we had one, not we.

I don’t block people, that’s your fetish not mine.

[Breakingthewall]

41 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

don’t personally think there’s anything wrong with using certain words that appear to be the wrong words to describe reality because many are just different words for the same thing really, they can be interpreted to mean different things to different people, or situations. It’s just different that’s all, but ultimately difference where there isn’t any, as there’s only one reality, and we’re all sharing and being that one reality.

Imo the point of spirituality is breaking the barrier between you as a self and the reality. You could say that this barrier is just psychological but still exist and it's very strong. Being open is not knowing that the self doesn't exist, is feeling the connection and the vitality of the reality every moment. Not because you love the others and that, but just because you exist 

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

No, you thought we had one, not we.

I don’t block people, that’s your fetish not mine.

I haven't blocked anyone on here.  You are free to comment on anything I say.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imo the point of spirituality is breaking the barrier between you as a self and the reality. You could say that this barrier is just psychological but still exist and it's very strong. Being open is not knowing that the self doesn't exist, is feeling the connection and the vitality of the reality every moment. Not because you love the others and that, but just because you exist 

I understand. It’s okay. 

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

I haven't blocked anyone on here.  You are free to comment on anything I say.

You demanded I block you. I refused. I just can’t be like that, even if you can, that’s your prerogative anyway.

Now you’re saying I am free to comment on things you say. That’s what happens when you shut others down, you become a talking contradiction. 

[kavaris]

Dang it... wat was it..... Consciousness is like, affectation of intelligence, levels of, directionally and constantly tweaked to the perceivers standpoint, and the whole of affectation, like that perceiver whos taking in the qualitative experience is part of that synthesis of intelligence, upon which we return to the point of sentience, i.e. we return to face these qualities in that jubilant, joyous child-mode, you know... LsD A and LsD B merging, kindve thing, like its the spiral of differences wrapping in on itself, in a front facing way that we see as "the child-like joy of", kindve thing, though that isnt the final story that clears you of those differences, for we are like, directionally trying to "tune, tweak" to fit the story as it is right now. Like thats THE rabbit hole of rabbit holes.

p.s. maybe its called a spiral of deterioration, but that makes it seem like a sciency thing, like wathamakalit... telemeres or however its spelled... spiral of differences is fine... i think...

Edited 3 hours ago by kavaris

[Joseph Maynor]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You demanded I block you. I refused. I just can’t be like that, even if you can, that’s your prerogative anyway.

Now you’re saying I am free to comment on things you say. That’s what happens when you shut others down, you become a talking contradiction. 

I prefer not to communicate with you.  

[kavaris]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I prefer not to communicate with you.  

Yousll be fine. Yous are two ppl at two different places in lifes probably.

Hey, the physical body/realm and our ability to communicate, we all have bad days and good days too, nd maybe it was just the difference of a word or a pause in between, etc., As we give it some more tries at communing together — maybe we will notice a difference thats leading to our disagreements and such, or our agreements.

When i woke up today i noticed, 'damg, the skin is reaeeeal puffy ... But when your awake for days, its the oppisite as its like... vaso-constriction... or watever... maybe we were all awake for too long... or jus waking up... prolly yous on two diff pages, per the high requirement we ask of people. Atleast, spiritually its perhaps taxing — in/at certain edges /lvls of contemplation.

[Joseph Maynor]

@kavaris  I think it is mature to tell someone -- look we can agree to disagree and try to have an agreement there.  

[kavaris]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

@kavaris  I think it is mature to tell someone -- look we can agree to disagree and try to have an agreement there.  

definitely it is