Matrix and freedom

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

So the claim ( I know I exist ) automatically creates a duality of knower and known. Where the totality splits into a subject and object division.

The subject and object constitute the structure of perception, and therefore seemingly have absolute limits.

The point of meditation is to remain in the pure subject/object, the "I am" with no content other than that fact. This is still limited. Then you focus on the "I" as the center, as the receiver of the " am," and at a certain moment the "I" reveals itself as " am."

The subject-object duality collapses completely, and what remains is reality without any limits or content other than the fact of being, that reveals it's nature when it's naked of anything except being.

If you repeat this movement many times, the frequency of your experience changes steadily in the sense that the perceived absolute limits, mostly subconscious, dissolve. Then you perceive the fact of being without limits.

This doesn't mean you perceive what's happening in China, but rather that you undoubtedly perceive that everything is the fact of being, which is conceptually obvious, but you perceive it in a actual and direct way now, and you perceive that absolute being is everything and that it's what you are

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Wouldn't that be a paradox.  Does a bottle have a limit when you fill it up? What if the bottle just became where you poured forever.   That's reality. 

If a bottle hasn't limits it would be a paradox because a bottle is something limited by definition, same than any form, because any form is relative to another form, that is, limited by another form, then a unlimited bottle is impossible. The only unlimited is the fact of being, because it's not limited by the fact of not being. The fact of being a bottle is limited, same the fact of being you, but the fact of being itself is unlimited because it's opposite is not. 

[Inliytened1]

56 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If a bottle hasn't limits it would be a paradox because a bottle is something limited by definition, same than any form, because any form is relative to another form, that is, limited by another form, then a unlimited bottle is impossible. The only unlimited is the fact of being, because it's not limited by the fact of not being. The fact of being a bottle is limited, same the fact of being you, but the fact of being itself is unlimited because it's opposite is not. 

To discard paradox would be foolhardy.  Let's just get that straight.

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

To discard paradox would be foolhardy.  Let's just get that straight.

Instead that kind of affirmations you could put an example of a paradox that's real

Edited 3 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Instead that kind of affirmations you could put an example of a paradox that's real

What comes first the chicken or the egg? Obviously if you start to think about Inifnity you will run into paradox.  It is inevitable. Now is Infinity paradoxical? No.  But you're jumping the gun.  I'm asking you to ponder the nature of reality itself.   It comes from nowhere.  So that is a logical paradox.  Now.  You can say its not and claim Inifnity all day.  But are you backing it.

Edited 3 hours ago by Inliytened1

[VeganAwake]

4 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Who needs to pay for satsang when you have actualized.org forum 

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[Breakingthewall]

42 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What comes first the chicken or the egg? Obviously if you start to think about Inifnity you will run into paradox.  It is inevitable. Now is Infinity paradoxical? No.  But you're jumping the gun.  I'm asking you to ponder the nature of reality itself.   It comes from nowhere.  So that is a logical paradox.  Now.  You can say its not and claim Inifnity all day.  But are you backing it.

Reality didn't "come" from anything, because "coming" implies causality and time, and can't be causality or time outside of the reality, then reality never started. "Start" implies causality and time. Causality and time happen in the reality, not the reality is subjected to causality and time. Reality is, and being is absolute. 

Another paradox?

[VeganAwake]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

This mental world is not an illusion, it's a stable pattern that exists, same than an atom or a Galaxy. 

All thats being said is if that Breakingthewall body dies, it's the end of all experience permanently.

Its conscious awareness doesn't switch to being another body or being outside the body or anything like that. 

The physical body/mind is what upholds that "sense of being".

So once the body dies, its simultaneously the end of the Breakingthewall character and its complete "sense of being". 

That awareness will be completely gone. It's already not there but even the illusion of being there will end. There won't even be the awareness of ever once existing. 

A total lights out infinitly 

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

All thats being said is if that Breakingthewall body dies, it's the end of all experience permanently.

Its conscious awareness doesn't switch to being another body or being outside the body or anything like that. 

The physical body/mind is what upholds that "sense of being".

So once the body dies, its simultaneously the end of the Breakingthewall character and its complete "sense of being". 

That awareness will be completely gone. It's already not there but even the illusion of being there will end. There won't even be the awareness of ever once existing. 

A total lights out infinitly 

No . 
you are eternal . 
existence never began , therefore will never end . 
you are part of existence. Correct ? The human body is part of this existence. Therefore ,you are  NOT a separate thing from existence. You are interwoven with it . Therefore, and this 100% logical and rational,not beliefs or wishful thinking , you are existence itself . 
please , pause and think before you rush to debunk . 
if what I’m saying is true then you , not the human body , but existence itself ,will always exist forever.  
does that make sense ? 
 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality didn't "come" from anything, because "coming" implies causality and time, and can't be causality or time outside of the reality, then reality never started. "Start" implies causality and time. Causality and time happen in the reality, not the reality is subjected to causality and time. Reality is, and being is absolute. 

Another paradox?

If you play by the rules yes.  It would not logically add up  Don't you prefer to play the science game? You of all people should know what adds up.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

The physical body/mind is what upholds that "sense of being".

So once the body dies, its simultaneously the end of the Breakingthewall character and its complete "sense of being". 

And? Then could be the sense of being of vegan awake, even that sense of being is closed in the individual, ultimately it's the absolute being expressed as a form. It's the same absolute being, different expression. 

Imagine that you have an accident and you forget everything, did you cease of existing? If you are focused in the form yes, you did. If you are open to the absolute being no, you didn't, the form changed, the essence is exactly the same, and what you are is that essence.

It's not something like, oh, ok, I know that I am, no, it's the absolute openess that is, the reality itself, the absolute potential. It's the same if it's conscious of itself or not, it's the absolute. It's real, not a mental history, it's what everything is.

Edited 54 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

And? Then could be the sense of being of vegan awake, even that sense of being is closed in the individual, ultimately it's the absolute being expressed as a form. It's the same absolute being, different expression. 

Imagine that you have an accident and you forget everything, did you cease of existing? If you are focused in the form yes, you did. If you are open to the absolute being no, you didn't, the form changed, the essence is exactly the same, and what you are is that essence.

It's not something like, oh, ok, I know that I am, no, it's the absolute openess that is, the reality itself, the absolute potential. It's the same if it's conscious of itself or not, it's the absolute. It's real, not a mental history, it's what everything is.

Bro don't bother with him he ie a neo-advaitan through and through.  I tried. There is no self to correct.  It's the biggest garbage there is. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Bro don't bother with him he ie a neo-advaitan through and through.  I tried. There is no self to correct.  It's the biggest garbage there is. 

It's just for talking about the topic. Anyway, also no one can say that after death you will realize that you are existing in many dimensions and you will go to hell because you touched your dick exactly one time more over the limit that baby Jesus defined, then you are going to be the bitch of Satan for some eons. Nobody knows the structure of the reality, saying what's going to happen is nonsense 

[Inliytened1]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's just for talking about the topic. Anyway, also no one can say that after death you will realize that you are existing in many dimensions and you will go to hell because you touched your dick exactly one time more over the limit that baby Jesus defined, then you are going to be the bitch of Satan for some eons. Nobody knows the structure of the reality, saying what's going to happen is nonsense 

No. I hate it when they condemn you to death too.  But they haven't died.  It becomes comical.  You might even reach my level.  Where you come in and take communion. I guess I'm safe now.