Matrix and freedom

[VeganAwake]

The experience that you are the body is an illusion.

There are bodies, but they are empty of a you/me. Totally empty, no spirit, no soul, no being, no you. Just like deer and rabbits......no difference.

When that particular body dies, the self illusion that never shuts up about "being" will be gone also. It's actually not there now. There won't even be the slightest awareness of anything or anyone ever existing/"being".... zip zilch nada. Total lights out infinitely.

And in that sense, nothing matters whatsoever in any way shape or form. Not even a little tinny bit. 

No meaning, no purpose, no value, no being, no you, no me, no other.

Infinity means absolutely nothing,  because there's nobody actually experiencing it.

No amount of knowledge will change this outcome which is already the case.

Nothing achieved or known in this apparent lifetime, matters in any way at all.

You could cure all forms of cancer, figure out a solution to world hunger, and become the richest spiritual gura in the world......and it wouldn't matter even in the slightest way possible.

Every single living organism within this infinite reality will eventually die, never to return. 

That's the biggest problem for the self illusion. 

Nevertheless it's inevitable reality.

Unconditional freedom, but for nobody.

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Every single living organism within this infinite reality will eventually die, never to return.

Every organism, living or non-living, is an expression of the total being. It seems you can't escape a relative and local view of reality.

When you say that nothing matters, that's a judgment of your actual human mind, which decides that since you're going to die, nothing matters. You could equally say that everything matters because everything is a manifestation of being in its unlimited becoming.

You know many things from your local perspective, but you can't open yourself to the absolute; therefore, you try to ridicule with nihilism any statement that points in the direction of openness to absolute being without any effort of understanding. 

Well, if that satisfies you, fine, but the reality is that as a human being, you can open yourself to your total nature right now.

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 but the reality is that as a human being, you can open yourself to your total nature right now.

How does that look like In practice?

[Mellowmarsh]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Every organism, living or non-living, is an expression of the total being. It seems you can't escape a relative and local view of reality.

When you say that nothing matters, that's a judgment of your actual human mind, which decides that since you're going to die, nothing matters. You could equally say that everything matters because everything is a manifestation of being in its unlimited becoming.

You know many things from your local perspective, but you can't open yourself to the absolute; therefore, you try to ridicule with nihilism any statement that points in the direction of openness to absolute being without any effort of understanding. 

Well, if that satisfies you, fine, but the reality is that as a human being, you can open yourself to your total nature right now.

Humans know nothing about the absolute. The only thing humans know is that they will die. Everything else is pure speculative fiction constructed artificially via their made up linguistics.

[Sugarcoat]

58 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, if that satisfies you, fine, but the reality is that as a human being, you can open yourself to your total nature right now.

Thats like David Goggins saying anyone can be like him if they just “toughen up a little”

Edited 1 hour ago by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

11 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Every single living organism within this infinite reality will eventually die, never to return. 

So not infinite torture reincarnations??? That’s the best news ever. I hope you’re right (I’m convinced you’re not but I wish). 

[VeganAwake]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

How does that look like In practice?

It's a delusional spiritual fantasy or egoic imagination. 

Delusion is always an addition of something. A religion/belief/concept/egoic imagination/spiritual ego 

Awakening is a subtraction or unknowing. All these ridiculous human beliefs stemming from fear, are recognized as total bs. 

When all the conditioned nonsense is dropped(matrix), only reality remains! 

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It seems you can't escape a relative and local view of reality.

There's nobody stuck though. The self illusion is the stickiness/prison 

Assuming there is a limited local self that is stuck in its belief system, is exactly what's being pointed out as illusory.

Awakening is the end of an apparent someone believing in a relative or absolute reality. 

The human bodies have senses and can also develop spiritually conditioned imaginations such as that body over there.

Identification as that body/spirituality conditioned imagination, is the cause of the delusion!

It may continue chasing delusional concepts until body death.

[Someone here]

43 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

It's a delusional spiritual fantasy or egoic imagination. 

Not everything you think is delusional is necessarily delusional. For him , he sees your stance as the delusional one .

45 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Delusion is always an addition of something. religion/belief/concept/egoic imagination/spiritual ego.

 Some Delusions might not be bad.  Religions and beliefs help you make sense of the world. Through myths and bedtime stories.Yes, they might be factually incorrect but their function isn’t to tell you what is actually true (that’s the function of empirical science). Rather ,their function is to soothe your spiritual and emotional needs . Because a human being is not just a physical body . Don’t deny emotions and spiritual and  psychological needs . 

50 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Awakening is a subtraction or unknowing. All these ridiculous human beliefs stemming from fear, are recognized as total bs. 

but you need to not know in order to know . And  then you need to know to be able to un-know .

a child is born knowing nothing . Then he learns relative knowledge. Then ,perhaps lives until he’s 90 years old and get Alzheimer and forgets everything he knew .  Then he dies . 
we are born knowing nothing . We die knowing nothing.

56 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

When all the conditioned nonsense is dropped(matrix), only reality remains! 

What is “reality “ in your view ?