Peter Thiel; are you familiar with him?

[Elliott]

Has anyone paid much attention to Thiel, I've watched most of his published appearances and have not come across any where he fleshes out his thoughts, am I missing part of his arguments?

He says college is terrible, how does this mean not having college is better?! He doesn't support college reform, he opposes the idea of college...

He says woke is dogma, does he believe conservatism is not dogmatic?!!!

 

There are a ton of other positions that just seem outright stupid but he at least fully explains his view on those 

He says dei diversity is anti-diversity, allowing cultures to intermingle is anti-diversity, like allowing intermingling is forcing intermingling.

He says innovation is dead and blames liberals because of regulation, like you can innovate God-like ai but you can't do it without ruining drinking water, lol, he runs venture capital funds for tech startups(innovation) lmao, but claims it's impossible to innovate because of regulations....

 

Are all of these billionaires morons?

 

 

Do you think he's autistic? I don't believe he's a liar, but just wrong about everything.

 

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[Leo Gura]

He is a typical, devilish, self-important billionaire.

Many billionaires have delusional ideas about society and politics, since they must to justify being billionaires.

Thiel is responsible for bankrolling JD Vance.

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[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He is a typical, devilish, self-important billionaire.

Many billionaires have delusional ideas about society and poltics, since they must to justify being billionaires.

Thiel is responsible for bankrolling JD Vance.

He trips me up, he was a philosophy major at Stanford so he knows a lot of philosophy, he speaks a lot about it, but he doesn't seem to actually apply it.... He was in a conservative club at Stanford and has repeated HIS dogma almost verbatim since then. It's very weird to me.

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[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Elliott said:

was a philosophy major at Stanford so he knows a lot of philosophy, he speaks a lot about it,

His philosophical ideas are unserious and cringe.

He thinks the anti-Christ is woke Greens. It's comical.

He is some kind of Christian, with a sick billionaire twist.

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[Elliott]

Watch Graeber destroy him here, politely, and to this day Thiel still strawmans the left on these topics.

It's so frustrating that these people are elevated in our culture. 

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[enchanted]

Peter Thiel? Oh you mean the puppet master behind JDVance? Yes of course 

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[LordFall]

Peter thiel reminds me of this meme for some reason lol

He is clearly a very competent and ressourceful guy but he's missing some chill and spirituality perhaps and comes up with some very strange takes. He does explain himself in long form content and seems genuine in his pursuit for truth so I do respect that about him. I watched his Joe rogan interview it was pretty good. He was open about him being curious about the JFK case and trying to figure out life so I think he's mostly an honest guy. Also he seems interested in eschatology and looking into the anti-christ stuff which to me is interesting. 

 

[Hojo]

Everyone of these billionaires thinks they are Jesus. They are all batshit insane.

[LordFall]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Everyone of these billionaires thinks they are Jesus. They are all batshit insane.

In what way do you think Peter Thiel is insane? 

[Hojo]

@LordFall He thinks everyone who goes against his narrative is the anti christ. If you dont want mass surveillance you are the anti christ or allowing a world where the anti christ will come.

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[LordFall]

That's fair putting everything into a dichotomy is not very helpful. Are you not a fan of mass surveillance? I think genuinely it's the way to move the world forward but it's hard to trust the current forms of government to be able to handle it. Generally having a monopoly of force and not letting criminals roam free has helped society tremendously and there are a way of random crimes hitting the world it seems due to the economy going bad like the London knife crime epidemic for example. Surveillance is not the only tool to help fix the situation, education and genuine ways of upward mobility are important but I think in 5 years we'll have robot police and AI cameras everywhere in most western cities and that's a good thing. 

[Hojo]

@LordFall I dont like how he is using metaphysical stories to try to force people into doing something he wants. Its manipulative insane and is showing his cards that he thinks hes Jesus. They all do.

If someone said that to me and I was in charge I would regulate the fuck out of that one person.

And no I dont like mass surveliance. Thats anti freedom.

The more you surveille the less freedom the more crimes that will happen. People will not be chained we have anti slavery device built into our bodies.

These billionaires will be hiding from the problem they created and blame the citizens. And the citizens will start to kill citizens while the people doing this shit are hiding.

We are naturally becoming less and less violent. We dont need mass survelliance. That will make people more violent.

They all know this its not rocket science. They want people to start going mad.

 

Like even coming up with the idea of the anti christ doing this is showing that hes thinking about being Jesus. No one thinks like this if they arent thinking about being Jesus alot.

Its either that or hes saying it as a manipulation tactic which is evil anyway.

And he has Joe Rogan saying that Jesus is AI.

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[LordFall]

I appreciate you elaborating but I think your view is very naive. If you remove surveillance and police the world will turn into violent anarchy and probably revert back to actual slavery quite quickly. It's not so much the average person you have to worry about surveilling it's the people that are perfectly willing to impose their will on society through violence. The problem is the people currently in charge are also people that are willing to impose their will through violence so we have quite teh connundrum. 

I do like the push back on surveillance though, these two guys are doing a great job holding Flock Safety accountable for their lies around their traffic cameras. 

I think fundamentally this push-pull effect is the true way forward if you let either the mass public or the elites get the whole say it'll devolve into either anarchy or totalitarianism. 

[Cireeric]

It is said that the clearest statement of his vision was formulated in his essay titled "The Straussian Moment", but the real message is between the lines and he has been quite consistent with this vision. To understand Thiels and Palantirs more recent ambitions you should read Alex Karps Manifesto: "The Technological Republic: Hard Power, Soft Belief, and the Future of the West".

I really liked Zizeks piece on Thiel and his philosophy: https://substack.com/home/post/p-193568266

Simplified Thiel wants to be the puppetmaster and wants to digitally control us sheeples through channeling our mimetic desire + at the same time defend and bolster the hegemony of the west.

[LordFall]

3 hours ago, Cireeric said:

It is said that the clearest statement of his vision was formulated in his essay titled "The Straussian Moment", but the real message is between the lines and he has been quite consistent with this vision. To understand Thiels and Palantirs more recent ambitions you should read Alex Karps Manifesto: "The Technological Republic: Hard Power, Soft Belief, and the Future of the West".

I really liked Zizeks piece on Thiel and his philosophy: https://substack.com/home/post/p-193568266

Simplified Thiel wants to be the puppetmaster and wants to digitally control us sheeples through channeling our mimetic desire + at the same time defend and bolster the hegemony of the west.

This is a good article, thanks for sharing. Yeah I think it's incredibly dangerous to hand over too much power to individuals with this peak stage orange mentality. The interesting thing is that nobody handed him power, he's a very competent and thorough man. I think his view is mostly elitist and natural selection based and he's not interested in helping the masses just a few talented individuals. 

I think Zizek's point on mimetic desire vs vocation is the best point in the arcticle by far. I'm all for competition and individual success but you cannot put it above collectivism or helping others otherwise yeah you end up with nurses being poor and exploited while they do the work I would rather not do. 

His other great point is that Thiel will outlive Trump's term so we have to be even more careful of him. I would love to have dinner with the guy, I think he needs to take some psychedelics and he'll be a much more valuable human for mankind. He reminds me of Elon Musk, very intelligent and capable and is doing great stuff from mankind but is driven by like fear and distrust of the average person so they must be restrained or great harm will happen. Elon Musk has killed a lot of people through his actions at DOGE, it's very unfortunate that such a smart man is so narrow minded.

I do thank Leo for posting about the spiral dynamics model, it helps make sense of what's happening here. They just have not touched stage green and have a misstrust of it but are able to tap into stage yellow systemic ideas but not really understand the multiperpativalism aspect of it and thus lack respect for other ways of viewing the world that don't have to do with efficiency and success. 

[Hojo]

17 minutes ago, LordFall said:

This is a good article, thanks for sharing. Yeah I think it's incredibly dangerous to hand over too much power to individuals with this peak stage orange mentality. The interesting thing is that nobody handed him power, he's a very competent and thorough man. I think his view is mostly elitist and natural selection based and he's not interested in helping the masses just a few talented individuals. 

I think Zizek's point on mimetic desire vs vocation is the best point in the arcticle by far. I'm all for competition and individual success but you cannot put it above collectivism or helping others otherwise yeah you end up with nurses being poor and exploited while they do the work I would rather not do. 

His other great point is that Thiel will outlive Trump's term so we have to be even more careful of him. I would love to have dinner with the guy, I think he needs to take some psychedelics and he'll be a much more valuable human for mankind. He reminds me of Elon Musk, very intelligent and capable and is doing great stuff from mankind but is driven by like fear and distrust of the average person so they must be restrained or great harm will happen. Elon Musk has killed a lot of people through his actions at DOGE, it's very unfortunate that such a smart man is so narrow minded.

I do thank Leo for posting about the spiral dynamics model, it helps make sense of what's happening here. They just have not touched stage green and have a misstrust of it but are able to tap into stage yellow systemic ideas but not really understand the multiperpativalism aspect of it and thus lack respect for other ways of viewing the world that don't have to do with efficiency and success. 

People are definitely handing him power. These tech billionaire are working like a group. Its like the media handing him a forbidden key and the president is too. The corporations are trying to gain control while they have a retard that will obey them because they make alot of money.

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