This interesting post by Bryan Johnson

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LordFall What has he actually done?

Results.

He has repeated a lot of existing, well known, core health and wellbeing tenets.

Spreading the word

Does this constitute an hero?

[LordFall]

@Joshe I think that's a judgemental take, feel free to not enjoy his personality but I think he's a quirky funny guy with great ideas that does work of the utmost importance to mankind and I doubt that many people you've met that are more "normal" are doing more to impact the future of mankind. Nothing worse than normies in my book but I mean you do you.

 

21 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@LordFall What has he actually done?

Results.

He has repeated a lot of existing, well known, core health and wellbeing tenets.

Spreading the word

Does this constitute an hero?

His track record as an entrepreneur is quite impressive. He founded Braintree and then bought Venmo and sold to Paypal for $800M. He is not a random wellness influencer, he's a phenomenal entrepreneur with a solid track record. Instead of then being a no name rich dude not doing much with his money or just falling into hedonism he then started to publicize his health journey and founded don't die. 

He is open sourcing healthcare. He operated a a multi-million-dollar clinical trial on his own body and open-sources all the raw data for free, you can compare your own biomarkers to his. 

He also co-founded the Rejuvenation Olympics encouraging everyday people to track and post their epigenetic aging. This is an insane level of data gathering and bringing these topics to the mainstream narrative. 

I think scrutiny of his work is not only valid but needed, this is healthcare we're talking about not feelings on fashion. It's not like he's accomplished  groundbreaking breakthroughs yet but he is putting the money in and is on that path. The fact that his girlfriend has Endometriosis is unfortunate but it's fortunate that she's dating him since it affects 200 million women worldwide and has no known cure. 

We can have this conversation again in 10 years and reevaluate if it lead to any meaningful discoveries yet but I would say that even if it doesn't he is still a hero in my books. Fighting the good fights in life is worth admiration. 

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LordFall I mean for health - not his braintree etc stuff. I am across his history of entrepreneurship. Notice this also doesn't qualify for hero status, does it?

What actual health results? Real impacts? Other than spinning words and marketing on already known tenets.

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He is open sourcing healthcare. He operated a a multi-million-dollar clinical trial on his own body and open-sources all the raw data for free, you can compare your own biomarkers to his. 

None of what he is doing can easily be empirically proven as his methods are not scientific. 

Again - what has he ACTUALLY done to be considered a hero, right now?

Not "maybe in 10 years he will be a hero"

Maybe in 10 years I will shit out rainbows with a pot of gold at the end, when I become a fully turbocharged transhuman 

I want to avoid all the fantastical thinking.

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[Hojo]

Hes just doing random shit and people act like he's curing the world. He's spreading his death anxiety all over the planet.

Getting your hopes up for immortality is going to make you suffer.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[Joshe]

10 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I think that's a judgemental take, feel free to not enjoy his personality but I think he's a quirky funny guy with great ideas that does work of the utmost importance to mankind and I doubt that many people you've met that are more "normal" are doing more to impact the future of mankind. Nothing worse than normies in my book but I mean you do you.

He wrote a grievance post about why people don't like him and got it completely wrong. The main reason people mock him and want to see him fail is because the things I mentioned. Not because the world wants him to die or because he's shattering paradigms. You seem to have some good sense. Do you really buy his reasoning in that post? 

I'm actually not bothered by him and have enjoyed watching some of his stuff. His experiments are interesting IMO, and I find him benign for the most part, so I don't personally have a problem with him. That said, he's a weird mf.

[LordFall]

@Natasha Tori Maru

You're moving the goalposts, Natasha. First you asked what he's done, then you said his multi-million-dollar entrepreneurship track record doesn't count, and now you're claiming clinical lab tests aren't 'empirical proof.'

Empirical diagnostic data: His biological age reversal isn't a guess; it's measured by TruDiagnostic DNA methylation kits, which use the DunedinPACE algorith; the gold standard developed by Duke University and Columbia University to empirically track the pace of human aging.

His protocol has achieved a verified 5-year biological age reversal, an absolute reduction of systemic chronic inflammation (hsCRP levels below detectable limits), and a 2.6% extension in telomere length. If a pharmaceutical drug achieved those exact biomarker results in a clinical trial, it would be a multi-billion-dollar medical breakthrough.

You keep asking who he has impacted right now outside of himself. He co-founded the Rejuvenation Olympics global leaderboard. Because of this, everyday people who don't have his money are using his open-source power-law framework to radically slow their aging. From what I looked up here's one case: a 55-year-old single mom named Julie Gibson Clark used these exact principles to take the #2 spot on the global leaderboard, verified by independent lab testing.

He isn't just 'spinning words.' He built the infrastructure that pulled longevity science out of closed-door academic labs and turned it into an open-source, measurable data game for the public. When we end up literally BIOLOGICALLY IMMORTAL it will be due to his work and other scientists and visionaries like him. 

Which other quests do you think is more heroic? Perhaps ending world hunger but his quest is right along the line of curing cancer. 

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Hes just doing random shit and people act like he's curing the world.

What do you mean random shit? Like playing in the park with a dog or baking a strawberry pie? You aren't intellectually honest in a lot of your arguments. It's not random its very expensive and precise medical testing and diagnosis that he is sharing with the world. 

@Joshe Sure he could be more calibrated but nobody is perfect.

Edited 7 hours ago by LordFall

[Joshe]

His work would be much more appealing and people would want to see where it could go if he wasn't so weird. Point is, it's not primarily about the work. The work is not what people are repulsed by, at least not most. You have the whole anti-transhumanist crowd, but that's not most people.

Edited 7 hours ago by Joshe

[Natasha Tori Maru]

18 minutes ago, LordFall said:

@Natasha Tori Maru

You're moving the goalposts, Natasha.

No - maybe I wasn't clear. I am talking about his health related works. I am explicitly speaking about his impacts (changes) to the medical system and how the average person has benefit through usage of said system. He hasn't done anything to impact that space yet. He isn't doing science. There isn't anything heroic about making what he does public. His experiment is flawed because we won't know if fertilizing his farts with eucalyptus was what caused a result, or ripping up his astroturf because it is plastic poison. Fundamentally I suspect I have different definition of what a hero is, and mine is probably more tight than yours.

I don't appreciate this condescending, sarcastic tone. Why do you always do that? Do you not comprehend it just makes the receipt of your words more difficult? This is interaction 101. I actually cannot believe you just defaulted back to that, like some sort of weird instinct. You do it to almost all others who disagree with you. Multiple topics. Multiple posts. All users. And others express this isn't appreciated.

I don't have time for it, have a good one.

[LordFall]

I'm not being sarcastic in any way whatsover. If you don't appreciate having your views challenged and see it as condescencion then I don't know what to tell you, I'm engaging in your points in good faith and putting effort into a conversation. We have varying viewpoints, that's fine.

I did feel like you moved the goalpost since it would be fair to question a random dude taking Vitamin b-12 claiming that he's now gonna cure aging with no professional experience whatsover but the fact that he's a 9 figure entrepreneur shows that he is a serious person that does set out to achieve the goals that he talks about and has success doing so. If you want to specifically talk about his impact on the health industry that's valid. 

I've just listed plenty of ways that he has already positively impacted the healthcare industry and the world as a whole, if you need him to personally cure cancer then as I said we can talk back in 10 years and see if it happened. I see heroic people that put their energy, time and money towards more than themselves but for helping others and even moreso if it's ambitious in scale enough to affect our whole species.

I don't think you reducing his reducing multi-million dollar clinical protocol that measures over hundreds of active biomarkers (kidney function, cardiovascular output, DNA methylation, etc) as "fertilizing his farts with eucalyptus" is very intellectually honest though. It's valuable because you and I don't have the resources to do the same thing and thus couldn't get those results and he just puts that all out for free. It's also incredibly vulnerable of him. 

If there are other people in healthcare right now that you feel are doing more to contribute to the field feel free to share, Bryan is one of many that I personally like. David Sinclair is another. Even doctors sharing their knowledge for free on Youtube I would call heroic, although not in the same degree as they don't have stated public missions to permanently cure diseases as a whole. I'm sure some do, I just don't know of them.    

Edited 5 hours ago by LordFall

[Sugarcoat]

11 hours ago, enchanted said:

Glad you agree. I think Brian Johnson is the perfect mix of revolutionary idea, good marketing, life purpose, helping humanity. If we are looking for examples of people who live out the actualize.org life purpose course I think Brian Johnson is really good. 

Yea, he is world leading at what he does, but it’s going to be limited by the fact he is more driven by science instead of body awareness..(connects to the innate self-healing, self-correcting tendency that it all wants to do naturally anyway)

Something along those lines… : o

Edited 51 minutes ago by Sugarcoat