Not All AI Is Slop

[Basman]

Commercial data scraping is almost always illegal in the Netherlands due to strict data laws, but there are yet no laws on AI specifically. Just because it's publically available doesn't mean you consent to it being used commercially. 

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 Dutch DPA: web scraping almost always illegal

The Dutch DPA has issued guidance on web scraping. Scraping is the automatic collection and storage of information from the internet. According to the Dutch DPA, which takes a very strict position, scraping by private parties and individuals is almost never allowed because in most cases, the strict requirements for a legitimate interest-based processing cannot be met. According to the Dutch DPA, a widespread misconception is that scrapping would be allowed because everything on the internet is available for anyone to see anyway. “But the fact that information about you is public does not automatically mean that you also give permission for scraping,” says chairman Aleid Wolfsen. The Dutch DPA’s position on using scraped data for training AI systems is not very clear. The Dutch DPA just notes in its guidance that developers “keep an eye on the risks” associated with using scraped data and “need to comply with the GDPR”, but does not say in so many words that this is prohibited altogether.

Laws on AI will probably need multinational cooperation to be effective. It's kind of toothless if it's illegal one place but legal everywhere else as you access the same web.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It isn't about AI's ability to generate art. It's that companies can use AI to commercialize value derived from artists' work.

Often without meaningful consent or compensation. This moves economic power from creators to platform owners.

Discern that this is about the economics / ethics surrounding AI rather than the technology in isolation

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[LordFall]

37 minutes ago, Basman said:

No one likes to be exploited by the same thing that threatens their livelihood and at the same time kills the incentive. AI bros need to chill. 

Sounds about right that AI bros are always drop out "entrepreneurs". It's easy accessible low effort shit. But if AI can do it it's pretty much worthless. You're not going to get rich of AI. Even the AI companies haven't made a profit. There's no replacing having a valuable skillset. 

AI simplifies workflows and allows for business models that were not viable previously to now be so. It allows you to create bigger systems than you usually would've been able to. As an entrepreneur you think in systems so it's easy to see how increasing efficiency in what you do is monetizable. I've made money off of AI already in how it helps me edit videos and photos. I can easily foresee how it's gonna allow me to become rich someday by increasing the capabilities of what I was already doing.

@Natasha Tori Maru I'm sure there are some cases where that's true but in general it disproportionately favors the creators vs the platforms. There is a massive ceiling to what one person can manage in terms of creating a product/service, marketing it, messaging leads, doing sales calls, doing customer service, developping new features/product lines, doing market research against competitors, understanding future market trends and macroeconomic factors, etc. AI allows one creator/artist/entrepreneur to manage all of that, it's insane the potential that it already has let alone in 5-10 years.