How do NDEs fit into Leo's framework?

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

I was referring to the average person’s heaven with a family reunion and 72 virgins.

My understanding of Heaven is that once you fully die and become fully Infinite, you can literally imagine anything you want to imagine for as long as you want to imagine it. You could imagine yourself having sex with every woman in existence for eternity. You can imagine having infinite orgasms forever. That's what I regard as Paradise/Heaven.

But there is an even higher version of Heaven/Paradise, which is to become pure Infinity. Having endless orgasms is still too finite to be the highest Love. True Heaven/Paradise is simply becoming Infinite Love as a metaphysical abstraction Forever.

Imagine existing as Infinite Love Forever. That's the real Heaven, not 72 virgins. Selecting 72 virgins over Infinite Love Forever is just foolish. Only a lesser mind would choose that.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Loveeee]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

metaphysical abstraction

What do you mean by that? 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

What do you mean by that? 

The highest form of Love is so profound it is exists as a metaphysical abstraction. Love in its purest from is completely formless.

God is the highest abstraction of Love. That's why God is formless.

God is identical to the highest form of Love.

Form limits Love. That's why God is formless.

The highest form of Love is infinitely abstract, which allows it to spawn every other form of finite love.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Inception]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My understanding of Heaven is that once you fully die and become fully Infinite, you can literally imagine anything you want to imagine for as long as you want to imagine it. You could imagine yourself having sex with every woman in existence for eternity. You can imagine having infinite orgasms forever. That's what I regard as Paradise/Heaven.

But there is an even higher version of Heaven/Paradise, which is to become pure Infinity. Having endless orgasms is still too finite to be the highest Love. True Heaven/Paradise is simply becoming Infinite Love as a metaphysical abstraction Forever.

Imagine existing as Infinite Love Forever. That's the real Heaven, not 72 virgins. Selecting 72 virgins over Infinite Love Forever is just foolish. Only a lesser mind would choose that.

So that option never gets utilized?

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Inception said:

So that option never gets utilized?

Oh, you can utilize it. But a higher intelligence will go straight to Infinity.

If you utilize your 72 virgins, you will get sick of them after a while. What then?

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Inception]

When you die don’t you automatically become the highest intelligence, so that you’re too intelligent to choose women. How would you land on that spot when you’re still less intelligent enough to imagine material comforts?

[Loveeee]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My understanding of Heaven is that once you fully die and become fully Infinite, you can literally imagine anything you want to imagine for as long as you want to imagine it. You could imagine yourself having sex with every woman in existence for eternity. You can imagine having infinite orgasms forever. That's what I regard as Paradise/Heaven.

Can 5-MeO get you there? 

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Inception said:

When you die don’t you automatically become the highest intelligence

That's a bit uncertain. I cannot say for sure that others have enough intelligence for that. Some parts of their psyche might cling on to lower dimensions of consciousness. It is unclear if all of it will be ripped away from clinging arms. There might be some leeway in the process. I don't know exactly. The process could be more complicated than it seems.

5 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Can 5-MeO get you there? 

Any psychedelic could.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Loveeee]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Any psychedelic could.

Have you been there?

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Have you been there?

Where exactly to you mean?

I have been to more interesting places.

[cistanche_enjoyer]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a bit uncertain. I cannot say for sure that others have enough intelligence for that. Some parts of their psyche might cling on to lower dimensions of consciousness. It is unclear if all of it will be ripped away from clinging arms. There might be some leeway in the process. I don't know exactly. The process could be more complicated than it seems.

Hindu philosophy provides a framework for this with the various planes (astral, causal, etc.) right?

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by cistanche_enjoyer

[Leo Gura]

@cistanche_enjoyer I have not experienced so many planes.

I tend to dislike those kind of models.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Loveeee]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Where exactly to you mean?

I have been to more interesting places.

I mean have you been able to literally imagine anything you want to imagine for as long as you want to imagine it ?

I mean in form, like having sex with every woman 

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I mean have you been able to literally imagine anything you want to imagine for as long as you want to imagine it ?

No, but I have been conscious enough to see that it is possible for God to do that.

Being human is the biggest limit. Once you stop being human, there are virtually no limits to what can be imagined.

Can God imagine having sex with 72 women at once? Sure. The biggest question is why would he? God probably has better things to do.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Clarence]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

To me, death means Infinity. If it is short of Infinity then I don't like calling it death.

Okay, that can make sense.

The thing is that some consciousnesses physically die but still don't reach Infinity. They get stuck. Yet they're still considered dead in the ordinary sense.

However, I believe that most people who have an NDE experience Infinity, with a strong emphasis on Love.

I also think that one's essence or consciousness, basically referred to as the soul, continues, and remembers its past life, all the ones before that, all the while being fully conscious of being Infinite and one with everything.

Still, I don't think most will choose to become « Infinite Love as a metaphysical abstraction Forever », even though it's all about Love. They'll choose other ways to manifest, express and maximize Love.

Yet, I agree it seems like the purest form. But even you didn't choose to remain there… after all, you too are here 😉

Edited 1 hour ago by Clarence

[Loveeee]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, but I have been conscious enough to see that it is possible for God to do that.

But not conscious enough to do it is that it? 

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Being human is the biggest limit. Once you stop being human, there are virtually no limits to what can be imagined.

You're talking about physical death or is that possible with psychedelics like you said? And if so how? Given even you haven't reached that yet

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Can God imagine having sex with 72 women at once? Sure. The biggest question is why would he? God probably has better things to do.

I mean you said yourself that infinite love gets boring, I'd rather just be free to imagine whatever I want, including infinite love but not get stuck in it 

[Clarence]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

All the stuff in an NDE can be understood without an NDE.

I don't think all of it can be understood or experienced to the same extent. Reuniting with specific beings or consciousnesses you've known forever, or that played the role of your father or your best friend in this life, is a major aspect of NDEs. You might never truly experience it through high mystical states.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Clarence said:

Still, I don't think most will choose to become « Infinite Love as a metaphysical abstraction Forever », even though it's all about Love. They'll choose other ways to manifest, express and maximize Love.

A normie certianly would be too afraid and clueless to choose it. The question is, Will it be forced on them anyway via death?

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Clarence said:

I don't think all of it can be understood or experienced to the same extent. Reuniting with specific beings or consciousnesses you've known forever, or that played the role of your father or your best friend in this life, is a major aspect of NDEs. You might never truly experience it through high mystical states.

I don't see why you can't get all that from psychedelics.

But more importantly, you don't need all that crap. There are much more profound states of consciousness than jerking off your grandfather.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

But not conscious enough to do it is that it? 

It requires death!