Unhealthy Aesthetic Mindset

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

Sounds like OCD, but it could be mania as well.

I don't think that's the full picture, many times it's more about brain wiring than underdevelopment. Although development may worsen or improve that given predisposition.

Keep making excuses. 

[Joseph Maynor]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Keep making excuses. 

I think it can sometimes be OCD.  It depends.

[Davino]

27 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Keep making excuses. 

What do you mean? I didn't understand you

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

What do you mean? I didn't understand you

You wanna excuse it away to conditioning but this is how mental illness has been swept under the rug for so long. What he is describing is clearly mental illness.  If you're suffering because the bed isn't made or there are drops of food on the ground then there is something wrong mentally.  It shouldn't phase you.

Edited 22 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Davino]

@Inliytened1 That's what I've said, that it sounds like OCD or mania. I pushed back against mental illness as underdevelopment, and framed it more as brain wiring/predisposition, that after a certain threshold it becomes non functional.

[WonderSeeker]

19 hours ago, integral said:

It's interesting how you let that go, because the people I'm observing with this issue cannot let it go, they cannot be even told that they have a problem, they experience it as "the world should be" and they fight everyday to get it.

If something is disorderly the experience is "I am tolerating this" and then they have an ego of "I'm such a tolerant person for allowing this".

Part of it was a friend told me I never let my space get even 1% messy. He said "Come on, throw some clothes on the floor, leave a notebook or two open." Over time I learned to 'tolerate it'. 

Then I had a girl move in with me for a couple months. After that I started a business.

Both made me realize "I just don't have time for this petty, small stuff. Why bother." And not even from an apathetic standpoint. Just in a realistic, human sort of way. People are beautifully messy and so am I. Trying to keep my messiness crammed behind a paradigm of contraction is exhausting and energetically wasteful.

But @integral a question for you is why do these kinds of people bother you? Have you ever considered keeping everything tidy, even beautiful to a tee? I don't know you but I'm assuming maybe not.

16 hours ago, Davino said:

Sounds like OCD, but it could be mania as well.

I don't think that's the full picture, many times it's more about brain wiring than underdevelopment. Although development may worsen or improve that given predisposition.

I agree with this from the perspective of being a highly sensitive person (HSP). My brain is wired to at least have SOME level of order in my environment. The main thing for me these days isn't so much things being exactly where they need to as having clean air, water, floors, etc. Right now in Korea we get a lot of fine dust and sometimes high AQI levels, so I use an air purifier to keep things pure.

Yes, this is a little different from the aestheticism perspective but it ties in in the sense that clean environment leads to clean mind. Being actionably aggressive about it isn't necessarily wrong; it's only a problem if you get emotionally triggered by things being out of place or a little dirty. 

[integral]

5 hours ago, WonderSeeker said:

But @integral a question for you is why do these kinds of people bother you? Have you ever considered keeping everything tidy, even beautiful to a tee? I don't know you but I'm assuming maybe not.

What is happening is they invent something constantly to be unhappy about.

There's no way to keep up.

If a chair is tilted 15° to the right, and I am working on my passion project. I'm sorry I don't have the mental capacity to notice or care about this.

But they will point it out and try to get behaviour changed from you and that normally comes with criticism and personal attacks. The issue with the demanding behaviour change is you better be right that that change is actually healthy and good. Do not assume you know what's best or that you care about whats best for someone.

It often also comes with a lack of awareness of all the positive things that I do and they use selective negative memory to create a world view of you of how lazy you are and irresponsible.

Ive taken responsibility to use a massive about of my time in contemplation of what the most valuable things in live are to prioritize, then to let go of the rest. 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by integral