Martin Ball about staying symmetrical on 5-MeO

[Davino]

@Loveeee I do get crazy visuals from psychedelics

[Joseph Maynor]

Why is it necessary to do this more than once?

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Why is it necessary to do this more than once?

5meo isn't a psychedelic you take to gain insight or confront your trauma, but rather to break down an energetic barrier that psychologically separates you from reality.

Modern humans create an energetic capsule that keeps them detached from reality in exchange for an unreal sense of security. This capsule manifests as a constant stream of thoughts, but its "substance" is the fear of losing individuality, the need to be a cog in an alienating social group where connections are false.

Each 5meo trip deactivates the default neural network that keeps this capsule active, and with each deactivation, your system gradually becomes accustomed to existing without it.

The problem is that people confuse this with another superior mystic reality, and they become trapped in that idea of increasing your level of consciousness when the point is cleaning the mental veil. Seems equal, but it isn't. "Increasing" is endless, removing isn't 

[Jodistrict]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Each 5meo trip deactivates the default neural network that keeps this capsule active, and with each deactivation, your system gradually becomes accustomed to existing without it.

 

I did 20 ceremonies taking full doses of Bufo Alvarius as well as dozens of microdoses on my own.   Sometimes I felt totally connected with divinity, tasting my existence, contacting the deepest part of my soul, feelings of terror and bliss.   But there was no long term affects, such as deconditioning or “cleaning”.    I now believe that drugs can’t do this.  This has to be done over the longer term through yogic practices that have been around for thousands of years.  You can’t force spirituality with drugs.  This is a materialistic notion.

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

I did 20 ceremonies taking full doses of Bufo Alvarius as well as dozens of microdoses on my own.   Sometimes I felt totally connected with divinity, tasting my existence, contacting the deepest part of my soul, feelings of terror and bliss.   But there was no long term affects, such as deconditioning or “cleaning”.    I now believe that drugs can’t do this.  This has to be done over the longer term through yogic practices that have been around for thousands of years.  You can’t force spirituality with drugs.  This is a materialistic notion.

I think that the main factor is your vector. Your life can be directed toward self-protection, self-importance, etc, or liberation.

If it's directed toward liberation, every action points in that direction. Then 5meo can be an essential tool. It's not that simply doing 5meo will bring you permanent mystical liberation, but it will be a significant push in that direction.

[Jodistrict]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think that the main factor is your vector. Your life can be directed toward self-protection, self-importance, etc, or liberation.

If it's directed toward liberation, every action points in that direction. Then 5meo can be an essential tool. It's not that simply doing 5meo will bring you permanent mystical liberation, but it will be a significant push in that direction.

I don't think it is essential.  The yamas and niyamas will push one more to liberation than drugs.  

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

I don't think it is essential.  The yamas and niyamas will push one more to liberation than drugs.  

I think it depends of the person. Some are not disciplined, and when density is high any practice is a pain , then 5meo could be a great solvent. The problem is the creation of religious mental frames. 

[Jodistrict]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think it depends of the person. Some are not disciplined, and when density is high any practice is a pain , then 5meo could be a great solvent. The problem is the creation of religious mental frames. 

I don’t dismiss that it may have some value to someone else because the spiritual path is unique to each person.   But I think Martin Ball’s “energetics” explanation is a lot of hand waving.   It sounds good to a materialistic audience.  For me, yogic techniques that have been around for more than a thousand years have proven they are reliable.