Women are attracted to relativity

[Jirh]

4 hours ago, LordFall said:

To a point. A 400 lbs woman can be beautiful to someone. If you say you can attract beautiful women and you can only attract obese women I'd say you're coping and delusional and objectively are bad at attracting women. If you want to call that a red pill point that's just silly.

You are doing it again. You are using your red-pill ideology to see the world instead of actually looking at what I said.

My dating history is irrelevant to what I said. You have no idea who I have dated and for how long. You don't even know my name, how I look, or what I do for a living. Yet, you still reframed what I said in a PUA way instead of trying to understand how it might actually be true.

Beauty is subjective and relative. And you have no idea about the depth of that simple statement. Some societies consider obese women to be the golden standard of hotness.

And it's such a crude way to categorize people as such.

And it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that you're creating. That only successful attractive men can attract slim women. As if women are purely objects that have no other choice but to compulsively react to what men do. Or as if they're HR that you feel like you have to impress them in order to get hired. Either way, you are lending away your power to them instead of keeping it yours by being yourself and choosing from there.

But I'm not surprised. You're brainwashed by pickup and red-pill. And this is your operating system, however faulty it might be.

[LordFall]

I feel like you're very stuck to your ideology and refuse to actually engage in discussion. Of course your dating is relevant that's why I asked for it. You seem insecure and relying on theoretical frameworks to engage in debate probably because you lack real world experience but I could be wrong.

I speak in experience and the collective experience of the hundreds of men I've met that were also working on their dating journey.

Sure, some dudes like obese women, BBW and SSBBW are porn categories for a reason. Doesn't mean that it's fully relative though. Many studies of many cultures and historical periods have pointed to the hip to waist ratio of 0.7 for women as what men have found most attractive throughout history. 

I asked if you can attract attractive women. When you go to a nightclub or an event can you attract the women you find attractive there? You keep dodging the question, that's not very intellectually honest. 

> As if women are purely objects that have no other choice but to compulsively react to what men do. Or as if they're HR that you feel like you have to impress them in order to get hired. Either way, you are lending away your power to them instead of keeping it yours by being yourself and choosing from there.

Women are people who make choices on how to spend their time. If you are low value the attractive/ones with options don't tend to choose to spend their time with you. I love women and like to spend my time with them. I also like to do fun stuff and travel. Therefore I need a lot of money, financial independence and skill with women to achieve my goals. It's pretty straightforward, you're inventing many layers of mental gymnastics and weird arguments to have a discussion on the subject. 

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[Jirh]

4 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I feel like you're very stuck to your ideology

What is my ideology?

[LordFall]

2 minutes ago, Jirh said:

What is my ideology?

Radical Relativism, specifically the unhealthy, unintegrated manifestation of Stage Green Postmodernism. Or avoidance in one word. 

You use this ideology as a psychological shield. By claiming beauty and attraction are completely relative and subjective, you create a convenient narrative where you never actually have to compete, never have to test your skill in the real world, and never have to produce results. It allows you to frame a lack of real-world dating execution not as a skill deficit, but as a conscious choice to 'keep your power by just being yourself. It's why you are terrified to answer my question about whether you can actually walk into a venue and attract the women you are drawn to.

 

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[Jirh]

 

8 minutes ago, LordFall said:

claiming beauty and attraction are completely relative and subjective

I never said they are completely relative.

But they are way more relative and subjective than you realize.

And the subjective is more powerful than the objective in most cases.

8 minutes ago, LordFall said:

you create a convenient narrative where you never actually have to compete, never have to test your skill in the real world, and never have to produce results. It allows you to frame a lack of real-world dating execution not as a skill deficit, but as a conscious choice to 'keep your power by just being yourself.

Yeah, I don't compete for a woman's attention. I never had to.

I know when a woman is interested in me, and whether or not I am interested in her. That's enough for me.

8 minutes ago, LordFall said:

It's why you are terrified to answer my question about whether you can actually walk into a venue and attract the women you are drawn to.

I'm not answering your question because it's irrelevant.

What difference would it make to you if I've fucked a billion girls or a few or none at all?! I'm speaking of a completely different paradigm.

Everything you claim about your skills and experience mean nothing to me. It could be true or false. I don't care. I only care about what you say and whether it aligns with my reality and experience.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Actually try to understand each other with questions instead of strawmaning (well not strawmaning as I think it is unintentional, so more misunderstanding than anything)

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[LordFall]

@Jirh Fair enough, if you're happy with where you're at there isn't much point in arguing about it. For me learning to attract the women I desire has been a very rewarding quest and if you feel like you don't need to embark on the journey and are happy with the women in your life then more power to you. 

@Natasha Tori Maru Totally. I think we're getting to the bottom of people's philosophies. The point of this brand and forum is helping people achieve their dream life and potential right so as long as that's whats happening here I'm totally satisfied. 

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

19 minutes ago, LordFall said:

@Jirh Fair enough, if you're happy with where you're at there isn't much point in arguing about it. For me learning to attract the women I desire has been a very rewarding quest and if you feel like you don't need to embark on the journey and are happy with the women in your life then more power to you. 

@Natasha Tori Maru Totally. I think we're getting to the bottom of people's philosophies. The point of this brand and forum is helping people achieve their dream life and potential right so as long as that's whats happening here I'm totally satisfied. 

I think the surface appearance of the conversation is almost a red herring - as you get down to it, it is more a comment and reflection on each persons life stages and psychology / philosophy.

[LordFall]

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think the surface appearance of the conversation is almost a red herring - as you get down to it, it is more a comment and reflection on each persons life stages and psychology / philosophy.

The women!  The quest to attract women is lifelong quest of thousands of generation of men. The universal carrot. 

It's deep because what attracts women as a whole and not a singular woman is just value at scale. So you need to figure out so much. When I host model photoshoots I have to rent a nice studio or basically a mansion. Can't do it at a park or I don't get the models I want.

If women had lower standards communism would work. 

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

26 minutes ago, LordFall said:

If women had lower standards communism would work. 

Sorry? I don't understand this 

[LordFall]

42 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Sorry? I don't understand this 

Well communism relies on the premise that human beings will willingly flatten all competitive hierarchies and distribute resources perfectly equally, removing the drive for individual status.

That could expect for the fact that women reward the exact opposite. So in a way even here when people tell me to stop trying and working so hard I feel gaslight by my competition. It's so much fucking work to put in to create events and media and cool stuff but it does get rewarded by women. That's why I do it otherwise it would be insanity to keep up. 

Communism is like all the unsuccessful men trying to convince each other to stop working hard. Except when you stop working hard your life gets worse. It's a reductionist view but it looks at core human incentives. Even if all humans on earth got $3000 USD/month with AI UBI singularity the women would still gravitate towards the dudes that got more scarce resources. 

I think if women had low standards we'd still be living in caves today, it's the mechanism that drives most of evolution. Dudes would fight here and there but there would be no reason to go to another cave and take out the dudes there to get double the caves. Now I'll get a summer cave though cavewomen love that. Natural selection baby 

 

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LordFall Do you really think women's standards are why communism doesn't work?

How are you accounting for other factors?

Wouldn't it be more true to claim "if humans had much weaker status competition, communism would have a better chance at working?"

I do not understand what it has to do with women. It is a human issue.