Does no-mind mean not thinking?

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

That’s just more labelling. 

What you are avoiding and this is the third time I have asked you this, why do you think that mind and awareness are in a duality?  This is your question to answer.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What you are avoiding and this is the third time I have asked you this, why do you think that mind and awareness are in a duality?  This is your question to answer.

Why, because duality is all there is that is known, but duality is an illusion, it’s an illusion knowing it’s an illusion.

 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Why, because duality is all there is that is known, but duality is an illusion, it’s an illusion knowing it’s an illusion.

 

 

Do you believe mind is an illusion?

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Do you believe mind is an illusion?

Yes because I’ve no idea what I’m talking about, nor do I know what the heck I’m doing. 

[Joseph Maynor]

19 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes because I’ve no idea what I’m talking about, nor do I know what the heck I’m doing. 

Awesome.  I would never want to intrude on your spirituality.  That is not my role.

[Mellowmarsh]

13 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Awesome.  I would never want to intrude on your spirituality.  That is not my role.

An “I” story is a high-maintenance story that’s not really there.

 

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

An “I” story is a high-maintenance story that’s not really there.

 

I know I've heard this for years now.  More power to you.

[ROOBIO]

5 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I know I've heard this for years now.  More power to you.

Do you agree or disagree?

[cetus]

17 hours ago, caspex said:

Yeah it's like being the sky while your mind is the countless number of clouds taking various shapes.

The "I Am" watches as thoughts arise.

Edited 6 hours ago by cetus

[James123]

17 hours ago, ROOBIO said:

I see a lot of spiritual traditions talking about no-mind. What do they really mean by no-mind. Is it the same as no thinking?

I guess the place to start is what do people mean when they say mind. 

I looked at some definitions: 

"The mind is that which thinks, feels, perceives, imagines, remembers, and wills"

"The mind is the individual, subjective experiencing of “something” that is always changing, moment to moment."

Ok this made this contemplation a lot easier. 

Mind in analogous to the small self, small i that tricks it self that it is the do-er of life.

To me this question is the same as "Does no-self/no-ego mean not thinking?"

Not thinking is seen as quite a popular "goal" in spirituality. But is it actually possible? I don't know. My experience tells me it is hard BUT thinking is not the issue. 

Believing you are a mind that is doing the thinking is. 

We are saying that mind is the thing which is responsible for it's life, it is doing the thinking, it is doing the perceiving, is it doing the remembering. So mind is responsible for it's life.

But this is false, from direct experience there is no small doer of these things, you aren't responsible for thinking or perceiving. These things are happing inside of you. Reality is being, these perceptions are happening without an experiencer that is a thing. All perception has no perceiver.

So when you are realising no-mind you are realising the truth of what is happning in this moment.

When you think there is mind that means you aren't seeing reality directly.

So no-mind IS NOT the same as not thinking. You can be thinking ALOT and be in no-mind. A thought is just a thought, the meaning and abstractions can trick itself into many things. But it is a sub-set of reality that you as an ego have no control over. Thinking is a happening. Not thinking is a happening

Actually no.

Just be witness of thoughts, as soon as you be witness, it becomes quite. Yet, purpose of mind is to think. Yet when there is no attachment, mind just talks when it's necessary. 99 percent of the is silence.

Do not try to control, quite the mind. It get more aggressive. Just let it be by itself. Then it easeses.

[cetus]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

Do not try to control, quite the mind. It get more aggressive. Just let it be by itself. Then it easeses.

Give the mind enough pasture and it will never realize you've got it fenced in.

[Joseph Maynor]

47 minutes ago, ROOBIO said:

Do you agree or disagree?

I have a more nuanced perspective.  It's like a yes and no on the "I".  Part of the I is illusory, but part of it is more true than most people think.

[cetus]

14 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I have a more nuanced perspective.  It's like a yes and no on the "I".  Part of the I is illusory, but part of it is more true than most people think.

What would you say about the "I' being a local and non-local awareness? 

[Joseph Maynor]

7 minutes ago, cetus said:

What would you say about the "I' being a local and non-local awareness? 

That is my view.  People like to say the infinite doesn't know the finite.  I say the infinite and finite are joined.  The finite allows you to know the finite.  But that is not all you are.  It is a both, and not an either or.  This is just my perspective.  

[cetus]

@Joseph Maynor I think what most people don't realize is how lucky we are that the "I" has emerged in this experience of reality we share.

Or perhaps better to say emerged "with" this reality.

Edited 4 hours ago by cetus

[VeganAwake]

No mind; no self; unknowing; nothingness; liberation; enlightenment, are all pointing to the same thing

The end of experiencing/perceiving reality through the conditioned mind

Understanding that something vastly infinite, cannot ever be fully grasped by something limited

It could be named, labeled and described endlessly for infinite lifetimes 

In that sense it's unknowable

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It is a both, and not an either or. 

Reality truth what is real can never NOT be abiding. 

[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Reality truth what is real can never NOT be abiding. 

Okay.  I'm not going to disagree with you.  

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

Okay.  I'm not going to disagree with you.  

It’s okay, it’s not a crime to just agree with an idea. This is not a witticism contest.

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s okay, it’s not a crime to just agree with an idea. This is not a witticism contest.

Okay.  Great.