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[Hojo]

@LordFall Its not human nature to be greedy. Its traumatized people that are greedy.

The system traumatizes people into survival mode then they feed it. On purpose. We have everything but always want more.

God made human beings to be defenders of the Earth. We are like ghosts in mech suits. That the earth made to protect itself. Capitalism is anti that.

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[LordFall]

The idea that humans only want more because they're traumatized ignores basic biology. Every organism is biologically wired to optimize for resource collection to ensure the survival of its lineage. In a state of nature, animals exploit their environment until they hit a resource ceiling.

Capitalism didn't create the desire for 'more'; it just hyper-accelerated our capacity to get it.

If you look at human history before modern markets, resource hoarding and tribal dominance were still the norm.

You're not wrong that the trauma of society makes it worse but it's not the root cause. The root cause is scarcity in and of itself. Only through something like post scarcity brought by the singularity/AI UBI can I see a way out of this. 

 

[Hojo]

@LordFall Ego is an important part of being a human being. To be a mailman to be a woman and to be soldier is like 50 percent of being a human. It means we can be something. A human (the mech) being ( being something). It has ego that can corrupt the human because the human is scared of God. If everyone knew God communism can happen.

My problem with society is they purposefully traumatize you, purposely propel these trauma, and purposefully pretend to heal you.

If everyone knew God is real and is taking care of them then we will live in communism.

Wars will happen and fighting will happen it dosent matter its part of being a human. But there are people farming your trauma and you dont even know it. And they are lying to you about it. This keeps human in a capitalist mindset. They always want more. We dont need to do this anymore. We can heal ourselves and become what we are supposed to be. Mechs of Earth and create paradise.

If you have nothing to do you can literally watch another life in a ray of light.

But something is purposefully stopping humans from doing this.

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[Elliott]

6 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It's a far-left conspiracy theory to believe that the money that's missing is hidden away by the rich.

I'm not against redistribution but even Elon Musk only has a few billion dollars in personal funds (in his personal bank accounts).

Even if you were to seize all the accumulated wealth of the American super-rich, for example—which is suicidal because whether we like it or not private savings is the essential of national savings, and you would squander it—you would only accumulate a few tens of billions of dollars, whereas by comparison the annual American budget is nearly 4 trillion dollars.

The majority of that money comes from the middle class.

Besides nobody except a few idiots here and there actually believes what's being said in the image; it's just another leftist tactic to treat people like fools and convince themselves they're very intelligent. If you ask people why they're against immigration most of them will talk about crime; because they see the news items, ethnic statistics etc.

The top 10% of corporations alone have 40 trillion dollars in cash sitting in vaults. For context, it alone would house and feed every person on earth currently below the poverty line for the next 50 years not factoring in simple interest on the funds.

The gripe is not about taking 10 billion in cash from Musks, the gripe is about reallocating capital through taxation away from retarded projects like colonizing Mars or beating the Chinese in data mining and moving it toward helping starving kids. This is also not a zero sum game, raising everyone out of poverty increases the population that would be active in science and invention and not just by the number in poverty but also by the number that is affected by conflict and crime that results from poverty, a peaceful world would almost certainly give rise to much greater invention and ideas, let alone peace, look at what we spend on defense which is only because there are desperate people needing to do desperate things. The u.s. defense budget alone is 2 trillion, it only costs 50 billion a year to feed everyone in poverty.

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

The top 10% of corporations alone have 40 trillion dollars in cash sitting in vaults. For context, it alone would house and feed every person on earth currently below the poverty line for the next 50 years not factoring in simple interest on the funds.

The gripe is not about taking 10 billion in cash from Musks, the gripe is about reallocating capital through taxation away from retarded projects like colonizing Mars or beating the Chinese in data mining and moving it toward helping starving kids. This is also not a zero sum game, raising everyone out of poverty increases the population that would be active in science and invention and not just by the number in poverty but also by the number that is affected by conflict and crime that results from poverty, a peaceful world would almost certainly give rise to much greater invention and ideas, let alone peace, look at what we spend on defense which is only because there are desperate people needing to do desperate things. The u.s. defense budget alone is 2 trillion, it only costs 50 billion a year to feed everyone in poverty.

You're not wrong but you're inflating numbers. 

The total cash and liquid marketable securities held by all public corporations globally combined sits closer to $8 trillion.

It would apparently cost $100 billion per year not 50 to feed everyone globally but that's still manageable. 

With the current political polarization we're experiencing the US can't even manage to not cut its own already working benefits program so we're not quite there yet but ultimately all the problems we have globally are not more than a few years to a couple decades to fix. We should be quite optimistic about the future! 

@Hojo Yes you're right. I'm glad Leo taught us about the spiral dynamics model because it makes a lot of sense. Most of societal problems stop existing at stage green but below it's just a clusterfuck of competition and annihilation.

It's hard to get rid of though, I've spent the last 10 years of my life self-actualizing and I still love petty competition. Let alone people that never did any that salivate at the thoughts of the death and suffering of their enemies. Which is like most of the politicians globally it seems lol. 

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[Elliott]

41 minutes ago, LordFall said:

You're not wrong but you're inflating numbers. 

The total cash and liquid marketable securities held by all public corporations globally combined sits closer to $8 trillion.

$40 trillion, and that's only the top 10% of corporations. Many of the biggest corporations in the world are private.

https://companiesmarketcap.com/companies-with-the-highest-cash-on-hand/

 

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It would apparently cost $100 billion per year not 50 to feed everyone globally but that's still manageable. 

I said for 50 years, at $40 trillion, that's $800 BILLION a year not $100. By your number I OVERESTIMATED how much is needed.

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With the current political polarization we're experiencing the US can't even manage to not cut its own already working benefits program so we're not quite there yet but ultimately all the problems we have globally are not more than a few years to a couple decades to fix. We should be quite optimistic about the future! 

We're literally already starting another great depression. That's not just people starving, that's what caused the second world war, and this time 1.)Iran, 2.)Israel, 3.)Korea, 4.)Pakistan, 5.)India, 6.) Russia have nuclear MISSILES, ww2 we only had a bomb you drop from a plane, you saw what Iran just did to the great 'Iron Dome' in Israel right?

 

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[LordFall]

32 minutes ago, Elliott said:

$40 trillion, and that's only the top 10% of corporations. Many of the biggest corporations in the world are private.

https://companiesmarketcap.com/companies-with-the-highest-cash-on-hand/

True but that site doesn't only count corporations it counts banks as well. So that cash on hand includes all the private deposits that people like you and me and people in china deposit. At this point we're talking about global liquidity and not just a few big corporations being too greedy and stocking cash in a vault.

Have you watched Mr.Robot? The plot is basically that there is a big company E corp that controls most of the banking in the world and they hack it in hopes of resetting the system and making it better. It basically devolves into chaos for a while until it becomes even more centralized and dystopian. 

Unfortunately there is no real easy solution to global inequality apart from slow gradual change IMO. Maybe UBI tech singularity can solve it but then again it's still about international trade agreements and peace treaties. 

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

True but that site doesn't only count corporations it counts banks as well. So that cash on hand includes all the private deposits that people like you and me and people in china deposit. At this point we're talking about global liquidity and not just a few big corporations being too greedy and stocking cash in a vault.

Have you watched Mr.Robot? The plot is basically that there is a big company E corp that controls most of the banking in the world and they hack it in hopes of resetting the system and making it better. It basically devolves into chaos for a while until it becomes even more centralized and dystopian. 

Unfortunately there is no real easy solution to global inequality apart from slow gradual change IMO. Maybe UBI tech singularity can solve it but then again it's still about international trade agreements and peace treaties. 

Those are corporate banks. I'm puting you back on ignore, bye.

Cash on hand is cash they own, not your savings. Banks loan out 9/10 dollars they receive, storing only 40-10% of your savings, they loan your money out, they don't make money by storing your money and then paying you interest! You think they're like Pokémon geeks but with benjamins?

"No, a bank does not count depositors' accounts as its own "cash on hand." [1, 2]

On a bank's balance sheet, customer deposits and cash on hand are separated into two completely different categories. [1]

Here is how they are classified:

Customer Deposits are Liabilities [1]

The Reason: The money in your account belongs to you, not the bank.

The Accounting: The bank owes this money back to you upon request. Therefore..."

 

 

 

 

Global "Broad Money (M2/M3): ≈ $100 - $130 trillion (includes all physical cash, checking/savings accounts, and easily liquidated short-term deposits)"

You geniuses think school.teachers are sitting on this or something? Like where the fuck do you think this actual money is, Mars?

 

Global population 8.3 billion, that's $15k for every individual on earth, every starving African baby, you think has 15k under their mattress, when it costs 15c a day to feed them yet they're starving. That's 266 years of food for every person on earth.

 

"The U.S. federal government holds approximately $893 billion in operating cash and other monetary assets."

"Chinese Central Bank Balance Sheet: The total size of the PBoC's balance sheet represents approx. $6.75 trillion, which includes a mix of government deposits, claims on banks, and foreign assets" (this bank is not on that list I posted, it's a government bank not corporate)

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[LordFall]

You have the accounting knowledge of a failing undergraduate student or a smart high schooler take your pick. You don't understand the math of what you're talking about.

A global mega-bank handles trillions in customer deposits. Even if they lend out the vast majority and keep just a 10% to 15% liquidity buffer to handle daily withdrawals, that still leaves them holding hundreds of billions in 'Cash and Cash Equivalents' at any given time. Multiplying that across the top 100 banks easily hits that $32 trillion figure.

When a database pulls 'Cash on Hand,' it pulls that exact asset column. That money isn't corporate profit sitting in a vault that a CEO can legally spend; it's the aggregate checking and savings accounts of everyday citizens and businesses globally, held in reserve so the system doesn't collapse. Your entire 'gotcha' argument relies on looking at highly regulated depositor liquidity and confusing it with a corporate piggy bank. Confusing a bank's corporate equity with its depositor liabilities is a day-one accounting error.

You remind me of the average Redditor and are even less fun to have a conversation with.