Europe Votes This Year

[Hojo]

@LordFall Its not human nature to be greedy. Its traumatized people that are greedy.

The system traumatizes people into survival mode then they feed it. On purpose. We have everything but always want more.

God made human beings to be defenders of the Earth. We are like ghosts in mech suits. That the earth made to protect itself. Capitalism is anti that.

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[LordFall]

The idea that humans only want more because they're traumatized ignores basic biology. Every organism is biologically wired to optimize for resource collection to ensure the survival of its lineage. In a state of nature, animals exploit their environment until they hit a resource ceiling.

Capitalism didn't create the desire for 'more'; it just hyper-accelerated our capacity to get it.

If you look at human history before modern markets, resource hoarding and tribal dominance were still the norm.

You're not wrong that the trauma of society makes it worse but it's not the root cause. The root cause is scarcity in and of itself. Only through something like post scarcity brought by the singularity/AI UBI can I see a way out of this. 

 

[Hojo]

@LordFall Ego is an important part of being a human being. To be a mailman to be a woman and to be soldier is like 50 percent of being a human. It means we can be something. A human (the mech) being ( being something). It has ego that can corrupt the human because the human is scared of God. If everyone knew God communism can happen.

My problem with society is they purposefully traumatize you, purposely propel these trauma, and purposefully pretend to heal you.

If everyone knew God is real and is taking care of them then we will live in communism.

Wars will happen and fighting will happen it dosent matter its part of being a human. But there are people farming your trauma and you dont even know it. And they are lying to you about it. This keeps human in a capitalist mindset. They always want more. We dont need to do this anymore. We can heal ourselves and become what we are supposed to be. Mechs of Earth and create paradise.

If you have nothing to do you can literally watch another life in a ray of light.

But something is purposefully stopping humans from doing this.

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[Elliott]

6 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It's a far-left conspiracy theory to believe that the money that's missing is hidden away by the rich.

I'm not against redistribution but even Elon Musk only has a few billion dollars in personal funds (in his personal bank accounts).

Even if you were to seize all the accumulated wealth of the American super-rich, for example—which is suicidal because whether we like it or not private savings is the essential of national savings, and you would squander it—you would only accumulate a few tens of billions of dollars, whereas by comparison the annual American budget is nearly 4 trillion dollars.

The majority of that money comes from the middle class.

Besides nobody except a few idiots here and there actually believes what's being said in the image; it's just another leftist tactic to treat people like fools and convince themselves they're very intelligent. If you ask people why they're against immigration most of them will talk about crime; because they see the news items, ethnic statistics etc.

The top 10% of corporations alone have 40 trillion dollars in cash sitting in vaults. For context, it alone would house and feed every person on earth currently below the poverty line for the next 50 years not factoring in simple interest on the funds.

The gripe is not about taking 10 billion in cash from Musks, the gripe is about reallocating capital through taxation away from retarded projects like colonizing Mars or beating the Chinese in data mining and moving it toward helping starving kids. This is also not a zero sum game, raising everyone out of poverty increases the population that would be active in science and invention and not just by the number in poverty but also by the number that is affected by conflict and crime that results from poverty, a peaceful world would almost certainly give rise to much greater invention and ideas, let alone peace, look at what we spend on defense which is only because there are desperate people needing to do desperate things. The u.s. defense budget alone is 2 trillion, it only costs 50 billion a year to feed everyone in poverty.

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

The top 10% of corporations alone have 40 trillion dollars in cash sitting in vaults. For context, it alone would house and feed every person on earth currently below the poverty line for the next 50 years not factoring in simple interest on the funds.

The gripe is not about taking 10 billion in cash from Musks, the gripe is about reallocating capital through taxation away from retarded projects like colonizing Mars or beating the Chinese in data mining and moving it toward helping starving kids. This is also not a zero sum game, raising everyone out of poverty increases the population that would be active in science and invention and not just by the number in poverty but also by the number that is affected by conflict and crime that results from poverty, a peaceful world would almost certainly give rise to much greater invention and ideas, let alone peace, look at what we spend on defense which is only because there are desperate people needing to do desperate things. The u.s. defense budget alone is 2 trillion, it only costs 50 billion a year to feed everyone in poverty.

You're not wrong but you're inflating numbers. 

The total cash and liquid marketable securities held by all public corporations globally combined sits closer to $8 trillion.

It would apparently cost $100 billion per year not 50 to feed everyone globally but that's still manageable. 

With the current political polarization we're experiencing the US can't even manage to not cut its own already working benefits program so we're not quite there yet but ultimately all the problems we have globally are not more than a few years to a couple decades to fix. We should be quite optimistic about the future! 

@Hojo Yes you're right. I'm glad Leo taught us about the spiral dynamics model because it makes a lot of sense. Most of societal problems stop existing at stage green but below it's just a clusterfuck of competition and annihilation.

It's hard to get rid of though, I've spent the last 10 years of my life self-actualizing and I still love petty competition. Let alone people that never did any that salivate at the thoughts of the death and suffering of their enemies. Which is like most of the politicians globally it seems lol. 

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[Elliott]

24 minutes ago, LordFall said:

You're not wrong but you're inflating numbers. 

The total cash and liquid marketable securities held by all public corporations globally combined sits closer to $8 trillion.

$40 trillion, and that's only the top 10% of corporations. Many of the biggest corporations in the world are private.

https://companiesmarketcap.com/companies-with-the-highest-cash-on-hand/

 

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It would apparently cost $100 billion per year not 50 to feed everyone globally but that's still manageable. 

I said for 50 years, at 40 trillion, that's 800 BILLION a year not 100. By your number I OVERESTIMATED how much is needed.

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With the current political polarization we're experiencing the US can't even manage to not cut its own already working benefits program so we're not quite there yet but ultimately all the problems we have globally are not more than a few years to a couple decades to fix. We should be quite optimistic about the future! 

 

 

Edited 11 minutes ago by Elliott