Jiddu Krishnamurti

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

😁 yup,

beyond ridiculous

I guess I shouldn't shit on my stomping ground though 

Jokes have their place 😇

[Jirh]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

The thought is the thing explaining what it is…a mystery for now 

Cool.

What is the nature of thoughts, though?

You don't have to answer of course. I'm just enjoying the inquiry.

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Jirh said:

Cool.

What is the nature of thoughts, though?

You don't have to answer of course. I'm just enjoying the inquiry.

I can feel it’s genuine 

So many of us here kind of exploring that “teacher role” it’s so whole some , it’s good place for it😁

I find I’ve come to a point in my life where thoughts seem very distinct for me, and it’s clear to me that it’s a thought. Thoughts lack physicality, yet they contain some kind of “reality”. It’s like they are auditory and visual illumination of something real. Hmm. Maybe it’s something real that is “sensed” and the thought is just illuminating it

[Jirh]

18 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I can feel it’s genuine 

So many of us here kind of exploring that “teacher role” it’s so whole some , it’s good place for it😁

I don't view it as teaching. More like sharing what I know and learning more in the process. I prefer to call it exploring.

18 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I find I’ve come to a point in my life where thoughts seem very distinct for me, and it’s clear to me that it’s a thought. Thoughts lack physicality, yet they contain some kind of “reality”. It’s like they are auditory and visual illumination of something real. Hmm. Maybe it’s something real that is “sensed” and the thought is just illuminating it

Well, that's way too much to explore 😅

physicality, reality, real, illuminating.

Each is its own journey.

[Mellowmarsh]

Thoughts simulate a reality that’s not actually there in reality.

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Also if a spiritual teacher is always like “calm” in their expression, no, a developed personality should have different sides to it, always seeming “calm” feels like one sided, something missing. Just some thoughts. 
 

I think that this is because from Buddhism  an "enlightened" person is supposed to be someone who has achieved a permanent state of peace and bliss. This sells much better than a teacher with insomnia because they're in the middle of a horrible divorce. People think: I want that, permanent happiness, I'm buying! 

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

can kinda relate to that last part, simply feeling there’s something off,

Imo the problem number one is: suffering comes from thoughts. Stop thinking and suffering will disappear. This implies that there is a self who decides to think or not. And for some reason this self is addicted to suffering. So, what is this self who decides? It's something separate from thoughts? But then they say that there is not a self, it's imaginary . Who is imagining it? So, who could find this explanations satisfactory? Just someone who believe: don't think in it, just let it go. Brunch of bullshit in my humble opinion 

[Breakingthewall]

17 hours ago, Jirh said:

Why assume that consciousness requires change/time to amount to an experience?

You can have consciousness of a static object that's not changing over time. It's not rocket science.

It's static but you arent, trillons of process are happening in you every second. If those processes stop, consciousness also stop. 

[Mellowmarsh]

57 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

: I want that, permanent happiness, I'm buying! 

Not really. Nothing can be happy because nothing is unhappy. Nothing to buy because nothing’s for sale.

[Mellowmarsh]

55 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's static but you arent, trillons of process are happening in you every second. If those processes stop, consciousness also stop. 

Not really, because nothing started or is making this process, and so nothing can stop it.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's static but you arent, trillons of process are happening in you every second

And yet no you has ever seen the inside of a you.

That’s a true story.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Not really. Nothing can be happy because nothing is unhappy. Nothing to buy because nothing’s for sale.

Nothing is getting bored

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Nothing is getting bored

Exactly, that which only appears to be bored, is never bored.

Nothing is what it appears to be. 

[Mellowmarsh]

20 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think that this is because from Buddhism  an "enlightened" person is supposed to be someone who has achieved a permanent state of peace and bliss. This sells much better than a teacher with insomnia because they're in the middle of a horrible divorce. People think: I want that, permanent happiness, I'm buying! 

Would you buy it, Breakingthewall?

[Ajay0]

On 6/13/2026 at 8:26 PM, Breakingthewall said:

There's a book, Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti,  in which the daughter of one of J.'s alleged lovers talks about what he was really like. It seems he was a complete liar, but who knows? For me what is told in that book seems coherent with his vibe

This book was written by Radha Rajagopal Sloss, who was the daughter of Krishnamurti's former associates Rosalind and D.Rajagopal.

D.Rajagopal and Rosalind were assigned by the ageing Anne Besant to look after the young Jiddu Krishnamurti following the death of his younger brother Nitya.

D.Rajagopal used to compile the speeches and talks of Krishnamurti for printing them and he did this for a long time.

However later on Krishnamurti's friends found a lot of discrepancies between his recorded talks and the way they were printed and edited by Rajagopal with his own inputs which significantly distorted the messages.

Consequently a rift with legal and financial issues came up between them as Rajagopal was egotistically adamant in his right or privilege to edit Krishnamurtis works as he pleased, and Rajagopal was subsequently prevented from editting Krishnamurti's works later on.

This put a lot of strain in the lives of the Rajagopal's leading to the breakdown of their marriage, and narratives of betrayal was pointed at Krishnamurti for not being grateful enough to the Rajagopals for looking after him while he was growing and vulnerable.

The bitterness that followed possibly induced Rajagopals daughter to spawn these insinuations against Krishnamurti, after his death when he was not even in a position to defend himself if needed.

These details are available in the book , ' The light of Krishnamurti' by Gabrielle Blackburn.

It is also possible that there was a wider and invisible conspiracy against Krishnamurti's legacy considering his teachings criticising  organized religion and religious conditioning which would have upset many of the theocrats profitting from such a system.

If the sheep get smart enough, they might start thinking for themselves and may even get bold enough to disobey the wolves who have been shepherding or conditioning them to the slaughterhouse of religious wars and conflicts without any issues for a long time.

[Mellowmarsh]

49 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

If the sheep get smart enough, they might start thinking for themselves and may even get bold enough to disobey the wolves who have been shepherding or conditioning them to the slaughterhouse of religious wars and conflicts without any issues for a long time.

Just a thought, Ajay0, do you think the story is inseparable from the book?

 

And would you buy that thought? 

[Ajay0]

35 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Just a thought, Ajay0, do you think the story is inseparable from the book?

 

And would you buy that thought? 

Well, I like to read books dealing with principles that can be tested rather than stories.

 Stories or narratives emerging from someone's viewpoint tend to be biased as the vast majority of humanity is unconscious and portraying events in tones of black and white as per their conditioned subjective outlooks.

And this subjectivity is similar or varies to the subjectivity of other human beings leading to consensus or conflicts respectively, but rarely leading to the truth.

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Well, I like to read books dealing with principles that can be tested rather than stories.

Can a book founded upon a tested principle be just a theory that’s subject to change? 

[Ajay0]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Can a book founded upon a tested principle be just a theory that’s subject to change? 

If it is just a theory that's subject to change would obviously mean that the principle in question is not tested enough. 

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

If it is just a theory that's subject to change would obviously mean that the principle in question is not tested enough. 

What would the test show as evidence that the principle has been tested enough?

[Ajay0]

16 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What would the test show as evidence that the principle has been tested enough?

Durability under all possible situations and circumstances can be seen as evidence enough. 

Yes, there are some principles that are tested enough adequately, and which can serve as lighthouses or beacons to navigate through the seeming chaos. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Ajay0