So from where do you form romantic relationships?

[fabger]

Getting laid is not difficult if you talk to a bunch of women in clubs and bars.

In my experience they don't convert into relationships though.

At hobby groups women especially are primarly focused on the hobby itself, they're not there to meet dudes.

Is daygame a better alternative for forming relationships?

OLD/hobby groups don't seem to work for most people I know. You either have enough friends from high school and college so they can introduce you to others or you're kinda fucked.

[enchanted]

13 minutes ago, fabger said:

Getting laid is not difficult if you talk to a bunch of women in clubs and bars.

In my experience they don't convert into relationships though.

At hobby groups women especially are primarly focused on the hobby itself, they're not there to meet dudes.

Is daygame a better alternative for forming relationships?

OLD/hobby groups don't seem to work for most people I know. You either have enough friends from high school and college so they can introduce you to others or you're kinda fucked.

If you can get laid easily then you are obviously good enough looking. But if women aren't begging you to be their boyfriend after sleeping with you then there is something off about your lifestyle, hygiene, attire, personality, and income. The good news is all those things can be improved. 

Edited June 6 by enchanted

[LordFall]

I think you could totally form relationships from clubs and bars but the main issue is that a lot of the people there are looking more for fun than growth and shared journey but that's not universally the case. The relationships I've had usually form from social circle. I had one girlfriend I found from volunteering at a comic expo. I think having mutual goals with your partners is a great start so anything related to your career and business is a good move. I run creative groups and a lot of women in there have similar goals to me. If you're into business then business/crypto/finance events have a lot of attractive women aged 25-35 and the single ones would be better partners than club girls I assume. 

One big unlock in terms of the hobby groups is to host them yourself instead of just going to other peoples. Then you learn community building and are more attractive as the group leader. Don't be a creepy guy just looking to get laid in that instance but if it's a meaningful hobby that anyway you're gonna spend years partaking in then it makes a lot of sense. 

Edited June 6 by LordFall

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-06 at 2:04 PM, fabger said:

At hobby groups women especially are primarly focused on the hobby itself, they're not there to meet dudes

Why would that stop you tho? 

[oOo]

Less about “where”.

More about “who”.

”Where” comes after you have profiled yourself accurately.

Many guys and gals find themselves through relationships. This can be healthy, and other times it can be very unhealthy. Maturity levels this eventually to where at the very least self knowledge is leveraged towards becoming more of a strategic actor.

When you start acting in a way where you start reflecting deeply on your own self awareness to the point where you don’t want your strategic drives to be a burden on your partner and so you actively arrange your life to ensure your partner feels emotionally safe to be in that world knowing you will complement theirs. Well, providing you are still putting your mission first thats one of the positive signs that they could be a keeper, or rather, that you could be.

Phase one of a relationship always begins with yourself never your partner or a potential partner. This is where you establish the boundaries between yourself and the world at large.

Phase two of a relationship happens now through a place of self-knowledge and the greater world at large. Now you get to instrumentally insert yourself into life where you receive a return on investment instead of wasting your life away. This is where your “where” begins to mean something, and “attraction” should happen naturally, not forced.

Phase three of a relationship is where you begin to understand one another’s worlds and how those worlds intertwine for the long term, because chemistry is already established emotionally and cognitively; psychological balance is settled. This is now compatibility with respect to the temporal worlds. Life paths compatible or not? Marriage or no marriage? Children or no children? Healthy family (their surname) to bridge with or irrelevant?  Etc.

Most guys on this forum seem to have the Ashley Madison version of wifing or girlfriending up. In reality though, a “click and play” life partner in the digital world is not how people live in the real world or in the short fling space that momentarily caters to a short lived fantasy. Truly mature bonding between two people (or even more) occurs with foresight, which, as I began this, starts first and foremost, through hindsight. 

At least 40-70 percent of people I recognise will likely take a long time if ever to properly digest this sound advice, much less follow it in setting up a potential marriage. Thats about the global average of divorce with a big swing. The very fact that people have turned against marriage because of divorce rates rather than critically thinking about the underlying reasons and proposing a more refined model accordingly for themselves to follow, validates this reality. A reality, any reader here would likely wish to avoid for themselves. 

Our partners are not about “I”, as one last point, we are creating a shared meaning space and in order to create one that is balanced, we must first organise the meaning space that exists within ourselves, and from here, with the world at large. 

This invariably leads to a relationship that genuinely benefits the world directly or indirectly, or at the very least, not being a burden on the world nor the people around oneself.

This is stage four.

Best wishes.

Edited 6 hours ago by oOo

[enchanted]

Best advice I ever heard was "if you want to love someone, find someone and love them".

[Schizophonia]

On 11/06/2026 at 2:39 AM, Sugarcoat said:

Why would that stop you tho? 

It’s true.

Only a hysterical bitch would complain about being gently flirted with when on the other hand you have people suffering from trigeminal neuralgia.

Edited 5 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

17 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

It’s true.

Only a hysterical bitch would complain about being gently flirted with when on the other hand you have people suffering from trigeminal neuralgia.

Where you heard that disease from? I have this thing where I just think about that one in particular from time to time because it’s the most horrible I’ve heard

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

Where you heard that disease from? I have this thing where I just think about that one in particular from time to time because it’s the most horrible I’ve heard

You eheh

Edited 4 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

25 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

You eheh

Oh so I thought … but it is truly this one special disease like devils design. Also the fact that it’s in the head, must feel claustrophobic asf 

Sorry I won’t derail further 

Edited 4 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

20 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Oh so I thought … but it is truly this one special disease like devils design. Also the fact that it’s in the head, must feel claustrophobic asf 

It’s horrible yea